tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3272054900018746845.post2058997326043191491..comments2024-01-01T17:21:52.555+00:00Comments on Is the BBC biased?: The Livingstone affair continued.Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08741318067991857821noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3272054900018746845.post-21141020452286461512017-04-07T17:13:59.363+01:002017-04-07T17:13:59.363+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05818860172734529356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3272054900018746845.post-71456900442290224482017-04-06T22:10:32.113+01:002017-04-06T22:10:32.113+01:00Livingstone's claim is hardly Holocaust revisi...Livingstone's claim is hardly Holocaust revisionism. He has repeatedly said it actually happened after Hitler 'went mad'. Zionist Youth Council isn't one of those anti-Israel groups, though. I was thinking more one of those black hat nutters who like to cozy up to anti-Israel groups.<br /><br />I guess I need to listen to the whole segment now, as it doesn't seem to make any logical sense for Robinson so say Labour is looking like the home of Holocaust revisionism for wanting to censure Livingstone. <br /><br />If anything, I expected the lizard to catch heat from a certain segment for saying the Holocaust actually happened as advertised. Usually, the revisionism is about claiming it didn't happen, or that the real numbers were a fraction of the 6 million, etc. Bizarre.David Preiser (USA)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00055001852090086556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3272054900018746845.post-11056787483866702032017-04-06T20:23:07.744+01:002017-04-06T20:23:07.744+01:00I think John Humphrys already did that yesterday.
...I think John Humphrys already did that yesterday.<br /> <br />Today Nick Robinson brought up the ‘censoring debate’ meme in an interview with Rhea Wolfson from Momentum. Here’s a transcript of the closing moments:<br /><br />Nick: "Do you believe that, as 100 Labour MPs do, who’ve signed a letter today that the danger is that it looks as if your party is - and I quote - a home for antisemitism and Holocaust revisionism?<br /><br />Rhea: "I think if we don’t deal with these issues seriously that that could be a risk, but you know I don’t….<br /><br />Nick: "Do you think that.. sorry to interrupt - we’re short of time - but do you think that means kicking him out of the party?<br /><br />Rhea: "You know I think unless he’s willing to show some contrition I think that is the only option because I do believe in constructive dialogue and a process that allows people to say sorry for mistakes and have positive interactions, like Naz Shah for instance, but short of that happening I don’t see another option.<br /><br />Nick: "Just in a sentence, you’re a former chair of the Zionist Youth Council, some in Labour on the left think that you and others are trying to censor a debate about Israel and its behaviour.<br /><br />Rhea: "I think that in itself is a terrible accusation you know I don’t think we’re censoring, we’re trying to have a fair process, I’m a huge advocate of fair and transparent disciplinary process in the Labour Party, and that honours both those who are making accusations and those who have been accused.<br />suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02693686958796849316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3272054900018746845.post-8827126374743166332017-04-06T17:37:12.410+01:002017-04-06T17:37:12.410+01:00IMHO, what Livingstone said a couple years back ab...IMHO, what Livingstone said a couple years back about Jews not voting Labour because they're rich is much worse than this nonsense. Also more stupid as Labour had a Jewish leader at the time.David Preiser (USA)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00055001852090086556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3272054900018746845.post-50283929572592196202017-04-06T17:35:48.429+01:002017-04-06T17:35:48.429+01:00It will be interesting to see if the BBC brings in...It will be interesting to see if the BBC brings in one of those useful anti-Israel Jews to defend Livingstone's argument, and present it as having absolute moral authority as it's a Jew saying it.David Preiser (USA)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00055001852090086556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3272054900018746845.post-89922403936409712452017-04-06T12:44:18.089+01:002017-04-06T12:44:18.089+01:00Free speech is good and should be protected how ev...Free speech is good and should be protected how ever Ken isn't just preaching to an empty church, he is doing this to a choir with many very dangerous forces like Islamist supporters and the BDS obsessed left who are just looking to justify their actions especially as he was more then happy to block that freedom when it came to critics of his Islamic hate preachers visit.<br />Yes he has the right to say what he wants and I have the right to condemn him and his apologists matt zxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16572106553034910449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3272054900018746845.post-38961950541693229902017-04-06T12:11:12.440+01:002017-04-06T12:11:12.440+01:00The Livingstone case brings into play a number of ...The Livingstone case brings into play a number of issues. <br /><br />Context is everything. What I objected to most was that Livingstone was defending a damaging and dangerous Islamic-derived narrative put out by Naz Shah: that Israel is a colonial state and the colonists need to be expelled. Clearly the Palestinian-Islamic plan is to destroy Israel and make life extremely uncomfortable for Jews in that land so they flee (as have done millions of Jews and Christians across the Islam-dominated Middle East). Livingstone was giving aid and succour to that narrative. <br /><br />I don't think Livingstone is a racist ideologue, but obsession with Israel can hide sub-conscious forces at work. Apparently Livingtone was obsessed by Pope John XXIII at one point in his youth...who knows what all that was about? <br /><br />Free speech is important. If people want to say there was a weird commonality of interest between Nazism and Zionism they should be free to say so. History throws up plenty of examples of such weird alliances e.g. Stalin and Churchill, Nixon and Mao and Hitler and the Grand Mufti. They don't make Stalin a Conservative, Nixon a Maoist or Hitler a Muslim. <br /><br />I don't think Corbyn has made the Labour Party an irrelevance - that had already been achieved by the likes of Gordon Brown, David Miliband, Ed Miliband, Yvette Cooper and Stella Creasy: they have all been in favour of mass immigration, extreme multi-culturalism, open door for asylum seekers and denouncing people who oppose the former as racists and bigots. These are the people from the "centre" of the party! They aren't moderates except as a style like to wear (mod clothing you might call it). <br /><br /><br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com