tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3272054900018746845.post7646530474784497074..comments2024-01-01T17:21:52.555+00:00Comments on Is the BBC biased?: Andrew Marr, BBC bias and Brexit - A Short StudyCraighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08741318067991857821noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3272054900018746845.post-67674033134000407342018-12-08T22:24:55.241+00:002018-12-08T22:24:55.241+00:00Having been born in UK to europens parents ,l beli...Having been born in UK to europens parents ,l believe l have rights to both passports,but for now l want to choose only one.as l am getting married to a non European and intent to continue living in UK . Under which passport l would be better off? <br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12629072062075329725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3272054900018746845.post-59121286797320104512017-07-18T02:36:14.278+01:002017-07-18T02:36:14.278+01:00I agree completely. My comment was not meant as cr...I agree completely. My comment was not meant as criticism at all, if you see what I mean.David Preiser (USA)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00055001852090086556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3272054900018746845.post-38844340287653476432017-07-16T23:23:37.877+01:002017-07-16T23:23:37.877+01:00Well Tony Blair takes that 80% figure seriously as...Well Tony Blair takes that 80% figure seriously as he is trying to persuade us that being opposed to free movement (Labour manifesto) is compatible with "remaining" in the Single Market (even though it is actually an impossibility in law to be out of the EU and in the Single Market). Brexit or Bustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3272054900018746845.post-77717318906148225112017-07-16T20:16:48.322+01:002017-07-16T20:16:48.322+01:00Thanks David. I take your points, especially the o...Thanks David. I take your points, especially the ones about the Creasy/Ainsworth questions. I'm still not sure what I make of the Hammond one though. <br /><br />The interesting thing about this is what the BBC would make of a systematic study of this kind, if properly prepared. Both myself and News-watch have done many such things before and the BBC has always dismissed them. <br /><br />If the BBC asks to be judged over time, over numerous programmes, across the broad swathe of its gargantuan output (as it does) and then dismisses every rational attempt to monitor them through precise, detailed, long-term measurement (and yet accepts the short-term, non-transparent findings of, say, a bunch of far-leftists and ex-BBC high-ups at Cardiff) then the BBC is obviously playing a game with us all. <br /><br />Though people will inevitably have different takes on some questions, I can't see how any reasonable, honest person could see a list of questions across a number of episodes and evidence of a general thrust in one direction and then just say, 'We don't think such methods are valid. Good bye'. And yet that's just how the BBC behaves whenever such evidence is presented - or evidence of interruptions, time comparisons, etc. <br /><br />Still, one can but keep trying.Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08741318067991857821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3272054900018746845.post-72502093392855412062017-07-16T20:04:31.324+01:002017-07-16T20:04:31.324+01:00Neither do I. Neither do I. Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08741318067991857821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3272054900018746845.post-33502625945707024932017-07-16T16:59:05.546+01:002017-07-16T16:59:05.546+01:00PS: That, of course, isn't the view of those w...PS: <i>That, of course, isn't the view of those who say that 80% of voters in the general election voted for parties that committed us to leave the Single Market.</i><br /><br />That 80% figure isn't really honest, is it? I've seen this pushed elsewhere, and don't buy it. I know how the number is arrived at, and it's forced. <br /><br />Accepting the referendum result was a superficial position for Labour during the election, and one held only out of expediency (e.g., appealing to Northern Labour voters who voted for Brexit) and so as not to appear to campaign as the party who wants to overrule a democratic decision (Corbyn says Labour is all about democracy, right?). Corbyn may be anti-EU, but most of the party was and is for Remain. I seriously doubt Corbyn won those new seats by winning the hearts of young Leave voters.<br /><br />Same with the Tories, really. Ruth Davidson's group didn't win those seats in Scotland because she inspired Brexiters, but because Wee Jimmy Krankie messed up in a big way regarding Scottish independence. They weren't so much voting for the party who would do a proper Brexit as they were voting against more chaos about Scottish independence. Theresa May couldn't even deny in the end that she hadn't changed her mind about Brexit being a disaster. What a joke. Voting Tory was as least as much an anti-Corbyn vote as it was a pro-Brexit vote.<br /><br />I get where the 80% figure comes from, but don't believe it means what it's presented as meaning.David Preiser (USA)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00055001852090086556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3272054900018746845.post-37479263388482540842017-07-16T16:45:43.885+01:002017-07-16T16:45:43.885+01:00I would disagree only with your grading of a few q...I would disagree only with your grading of a few questions as coming from the pro-Brexit perspective. <br /><br />Q4 to Hammond is an attempt at a gotcha, and could easily be taken as more evidence of a hope for the softest-possible Brexit. It's in the context of "We don't want a cliff-edge transition". Not really pro-Brexit.<br /><br />Qs 1&2 to Creasy are statements of reality, which Remainiacs can say just as easily as Brexiters. Neither question endorses the result of the vote. There are plenty of Remainiacs who accept the result because they have to, and want to work out how to stay In on as many levels as possible. Theresa May and Philip Hammond come to mind. There is also Marr's known form of 'challenging' a guest with whom he agrees by presenting the most hyperbolic form of the opposition's position on a given issue. I know we're not allowed to infer anything from tone and demeanor when he asks these questions, so I'll leave others to make up their own minds there.<br /><br />Qs 3&7 to Ainsworth: These must be viewed in context of Marr's known history of challenging Corbyn and other Labour figures on these exact points. It's not a stretch to say Marr thinks Corbyn isn't the one to lead Labour back into power, and I would bet he got a bunch of complaints about anti-Corbyn bias about this interview.David Preiser (USA)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00055001852090086556noreply@blogger.com