Showing posts with label Shelagh Fogarty. Show all posts
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Sunday, 2 March 2014

Muslims, more Muslims, apps, gay rights, confession, pancakes and religious education



Right, that's the bacon and eggs taken care of. Now down to Sundayand the pancakes.

This week's Sunday added two 'breaking news' features to its self-declared running order.

The first dealt with the brutal mass stabbing at a railway station in south western China which has left at least 33 dead and over 130 injured. With depressing inevitability, it's looks as if Muslim terrorists are the perpetrators of this savagery and the Chinese are beginning to describe the attack as their 9/11. 

Shelagh Fogarty talked to the BBC's Beijing correspondent Celia Hatton about it and, being the BBC, they concentrated on outlining the grievances of the the Uighur Muslims of north western China's Xinjiang province  - the way they resent having become an ethnic minority in an area they once dominated and the way (they claim) the Chinese government is suppressing their religion (banning them from wearing burqas, and the like). The adjective Celia used to describe the atrocity in Kunming was "well-coordinated". 

Then it was onto Ukraine, specifically the ethnic make-up of Crimea. 

Shelagh interviewed Roland Smith, former UK ambassador to Ukraine, and they began (being Sunday) by discussing the plight of the Muslim Tatar population there. Tatars, they said, were the dominant group in Crimea from the 13th Century onwards until Catherine the Great annexed the Crimean Khanate in 1783 and Russification began. At the end of the Second World War Stalin deported the Tatars en masse as many of them had actively collaborated with the Nazis during the war. The Tatars began returning to Crimea under Gorbachev's perestroika, and then came back in much larger numbers once the USSR collapsed. 


Looking into this a little further (as is my wont), there are now around 300,000 Tatars in Crimea, making up 3/5 of all the Muslims in Ukraine. (There are 500,000 Muslims in Ukraine out of a population of just under 46 million.) 

Mr Smith said that the last thing they want is to be ruled by Moscow again and that they want to be in an independent Ukraine. He said that, though they are Sunni Muslims, radicalisation hasn't happened. Yet. 

Mr Smith is very clearly on the Ukrainian nationalists' side rather than the Russians (and pro-Russian Ukrainians). He says Moscow is being "ridiculous" and thinks that ethnic Russians have been well-served by Ukraine, especially given that Crimea has been autonomous since Ukrainian independence. He says that Russians there haven't really felt oppressed. He predicts that Ukrainians speakers in Crimea, however, will soon "see the heavy fist of Russia".

After that unplanned foray into foreign affairs, Sunday returned to its scheduled itinerary, starting with apps:  
Too busy for church? Not to worry because the Church of England have devised an app which allows you to pray on the move. Charles Carroll roadtests prayer app on the London Underground. But its not the only digital religious tool on the market. Wired magazine's Andy Robertson joins Shelagh to discuss the range of religious apps and how they work.
Apps, as the technologically-minded among you already know, are muscles in the abdomen which allow you to use computers, phones, treadmills, etc to perform particular functions, like playing video games. Long periods on the computer playing such games can lead you into obtaining what's known as a 'six pack' - or, if lager isn't your tipple, you can always reach for a bottle of wine instead. 


The Church of England's new app is intended to help commuters observe morning and evening prayers with daily texts from the 1662 Book of Common Prayer. So, if you're alone on the London underground, you can you pop out your mobile phone and, lo, a prayer will wing its way to you at the click of a button. 

Shelagh was keen to find out if other faiths have taken them up. 

Then it was onto that perennial Sunday favourite - gay rights in Africa:
Uganda has passed an anti-gay bill which sentences people to life imprisonment for gay sex. Rahul Rao is an expert on the development of anti-gay feeling in Uganda and explains what role religion has played in the Bill. Scott Little is an American evangelical anti-gay activist who has advised the Ugandan government. He explains the rationale for his beliefs.
We heard first from Scott Little...er Scott Lively, in fact...a man of 'the Christian Right' who has indeed advised the Uganda government and who believes that aggressive Western gay rights activists have imposed their agenda on countries like Uganda and are undermining the traditional family in such countries. Even though he says that most of the new laws in Uganda are "too harsh", he supports their general thrust (so to speak). Shelagh heard him out without interruption, which is most unusual for a BBC interviewer when faced with interviewees who holds such opinions - though her tone of voice betrayed the fact that she was interviewing Mr Lively whilst metaphorically wearing surgical gloves and wielding a pair of lab tongs. 


Her tone warmed perceptibly though when interviewing Dr Rao, who she interviewed as an expert. He argues, in complete contrast to Mr Lively, that it's conservative evangelical Christians like Scott Lively who are in fact imposing their Western agenda on places like Uganda, saying that there was never an issue about homosexuality in Uganda until 1997 when, in the run up to the Lambeth conference, conservatives, feeling they were losing the culture wars at home, reached out to Africa and began foisting their own concerns on countries like Uganda, raising a phenomenon called "anticipatory homophobia".

What's next? Well, Sunday's favourite Catholic bishop - the go-ahead Bishop of Arundel and Brighton - was back after a surprisingly long absence:
Bishop Kieran Conry is encouraging Catholics to return to the confessional in the lead up to Lent. But what role does confession play for Catholics in the 21st century? He joins Shelagh Fogerty [sic!] to explain.
Pope Francis has been encouraging Catholics to return to the confessional, and Bishop Kieran is echoing that call. He says the most confessions are face to face now, and the old cinema image of confession (the grill, the black box, the curtains) isn't an accurate one any more. 

Shelagh based many of her questions on ultra-liberal Catholic writer John Cornwell's criticisms of the Church. (His book denouncing traditional Catholic confessions also formed the starting point for a recent Start the Week.) Bishop Kieran thinks that John Cornwell, who he admires, is exaggerating the downsides of confession, though he concedes his point that children under 12 shouldn't be encouraged to go to confession. For him, their is a joy in unburdening yourself and being told that you are forgiven.


Plus he also likes Woman's Hour. (I suspected he would).

Imagine a Homer drool.....Mmm, pancakes!
Next week is Shrove Tuesday - but what is the spiritual element of making pancakes? Sister Cathy Jones joins us in the studio to demonstrate.
Sr. Cathy and Shelagh Fogarty gave us a brief reminder of why we eat...mmm...pancakes and why Lent is still important as a time for reflection and abstinence. 

Shelagh then ate one of the pancakes Sr. Cathy had prepared, speaking with her mouth full of food live on Radio 4!

The word 'Shrove' is the past tense of 'shrive', meaning either to hear (as a priest) the confession of, assign penance to, and absolve someone or to present oneself to a priest for confession, penance, and absolution. It comes from the Old English word scrÄ«fan, meaning ‘impose as a penance’, and is of Germanic origin.

Of course, you're all doubtless well aware of why Christians fast during Lent because you were all taught RE at school. Correct?

Well, that was the subject of Sunday's closing segment:
In October last year OFSTED released a damning report on the state of Religious Education. This week the government have been accused of discriminating against the subject by failing to provide training bursaries for new teachers in the subject. Bob Walker investigates if RE is under threat.
Yes, government cuts and Michael Gove's Department of Education are under fire and here was Sunday reporting the complaints of four charities about those bursary cuts to trainee RE teachers.


Bob Walker's report began with the story of a trainee teacher who is struggling without a bursary, adding an extra £13,000-worth of debts on top of her existing £20,000 student debts. She's struggling to afford food. The Head of RE at an academy in Nottinghamshire says RE is crucial and a non-specialist RE teacher at her school agreed with her. A spokesman for a pro-RE charity then attacked the Department of Education, saying there's no good reason for their actions. Bob put various counterpoints to him and read out a short quote from the government insisting that there's no problem with RE, but the man from the charity came straight back saying that the government's numbers are "misleading". Last years OFSTED reported on the state of RE in schools, and was highly critical of it. A pupil said RE's just as important as any other subject and that specialist teachers are needed, echoing her teacher. The pupils think it can improve community relations too, and went to parliament recently to tell such things to a parliamentary committee. So everyone in Bob Walker's report was in on this campaign. 

Ah well, there was time for an interview with someone who would put the opposing point of view:
Stephen Lloyd MP is the Chair of the All Party Parliamentary Group on Religious Education. He joins Shelagh to discuss the findings of our report and what the future of Religious Education in schools.
Mr Lloyd is a Lib Dem and far from putting the opposing point of view, he actually agreed with the campaigners, saying that RE is more important now than ever now because there's so much "misinformation" about other religions out there, especially  on the internet and in "certain newspapers" (hmm, wonder which religion he was talking about there?) and joining in their criticism of Michael Gove and the Department of Education, says it's a mistake & that Michael Gove said should change his mind. "This matters very deeply to you, doesn't it?", Shelagh asked him. Yes, it does, he replied.


All sounds very biased, doesn't it?

Ah but, the government were invited onto Sunday to respond to the criticisms of the campaigners. Shelagh said they'd declined to put anyone up though, so she read out a short statement from them and then invited Mr Lloyd to respond to it (which he did by disagreeing with it).

My response there is to wonder why, knowing for a few days that they were going to cover this story, Sunday didn't make more effort to find someone - anyone - to represent the other side of the argument (the side that thinks that RE may be important but thinks in this time of austerity that there are more urgent priorities for government funding, such as Business Studies perhaps). Why didn't they have a 'contingency plan' guest at hand to make that case just in case the government was unwilling to put up a spokesman? 

Well, that's this week's Sunday disposed of. Sunday, a BBC programme named after the day of the Christian Sabbath.
Sabbath (n.)
Old English sabat "Saturday as a day of rest," as observed by the Jews, from Latin sabbatum, from Greek sabbaton, from Hebrew shabbath, properly "day of rest," from shabath "he rested." Spelling with -th attested from late 14c., not widespread until 16c. 
The Babylonians regarded seventh days as unlucky, and avoided certain activities then; the Jewish observance might have begun as a similar custom. Among European Christians, from the seventh day of the week it began to be applied early 15c. to the first day (Sunday), "though no definite law, either divine or ecclesiastical, directed the change", but elaborate justifications have been made. The change was driven by Christians' celebration of the Lord's resurrection on the first day of the week, a change completed during the Reformation. 
The original meaning is preserved in Spanish Sabado, Italian Sabbato, and other languages' names for "Saturday." Hungarian szombat, Rumanian simbata, French samedi, German Samstag "Saturday" are from Vulgar Latin sambatum, from Greek sambaton, a vulgar nasalized variant of sabbaton. Sabbath-breaking attested from 1650s.

Sunday, 23 February 2014

Sunday in the Park with Peter


Yes, it really is that time of the week again: Sunday morning. Or should that be Sunday morning?

This week's Sunday, presented by Shelagh Fogarty, pursued the following subjects - with each subject introduced as the programme's website presented it. My ramblings follow on.



From Papal Meetings with the Council of Cardinals to the creation of nineteen new Cardinals, Shelagh Fogarty talks to the BBC's David Willey in Rome about this week's events at the Vatican.

David Willey said there was a "very joyful atmosphere" after the ceremony, with lots of singing (especially from supporters of the new African cardinals). He said that the balance between Europeans and non-Europeans is now exact, with 61 each, and that non-Europeans are now poised to become the majority in the Catholic Church, which is - he said - now tapping into their wisdom. DW said that Cardinal Nichols is "on exactly the same wavelength as the Pope", both focusing on listening to the world's poor people. He talked of the increasing emphasis on collegiality under Pope Francis. It was all very non-critical on DW's part, which is such a change from his critical manner and tone of voice when reporting Vatican issues during the pontificate of Benedict XVI...

...talking of whom, the Pope Emeritus was there at the ceremony creating the new cardinals. David Willey described that as "a big surprise. No one expected to see him". He got a couple of big embraces from Pope Francis. Shelagh and DW speculated that it might be the intention of the Vatican to reintegrate him back into Vatican public life.



Felicity Finch reports on how the recent floods have meant burials have become impossible in certain areas of the country.

This segment looked at an overlooked aspect of the flooding - the distress caused by postponed funerals. The main problem is that with so many burial grounds being waterlogged it's too dangerous to dig graves,  given that the sides could easily collapse in on gravediggers. Felicity Finch talkd to Rev John Rogers of St. Michael's Church, Tilehurst, Reading, who described what has been going on his his area, then Shelagh Fogarty talked to Dominic Maguire from the National Association of Funeral Directors. He said they're not sure know how many funerals have been postponed, as the evidence is largely anecdotal.



Next week the Government considers proposals for legislation on pre-nuptial agreements, Shelagh discusses what it could mean for the institution of marriage, with the Right Reverend Mark Davies, Roman Catholic Bishop of Shrewsbury and Baroness Ruth Deech, Former Lecturer in Family Law.

This was an interesting discussion, balancing the Bishop (who is against such changes) with Baroness Deech (who is strongly for them).

At the moment pre-nups aren't legally binding, but the Law Commission is considering making them so. Bishop Mark believes that it will further ingrain "the culture of divorce" and the marriage crisis in this country, asking people to create a divorce settlement even before they've made their marriage promises. Ruth Deech thinks that the culture of divorce, for good or for ill, is here to stay and that the law is far too messy at the moment. She thinks that those getting married for the second time are likeliest to take up legally-binding pre-nups, along with the rich footballers and young career women - which didn't reassure the Bishop of Shrewsbury!

With this pre-nup I thee bind.



As cult classic The Exorcist is reworked for Radio 4, Shelagh explores how the depiction of the Devil has changed down the years and whether it reflects society's perceptions, with Catholic Film Critic, Father Peter Malone.

Fr Malone thinks the idea of being possessed by the Devil is something people simply took for granted over the centuries, having read the gospels, but by 1973 visual representation of the phenomenon was something new. In the earliest films, the Devil was depicted as a comical figure, but then - in films like The Exorcist, The Omen and Rosemary's Baby - he began to be used to dig into our deepest fears. Shelagh pointed out that training to deal with exorcism is on the increase in the Catholic Church and asked Peter Malone whether, in his experience, the exorcisms we see in films (such as, more recently, Anthony Hopkins's The Rite) are a fair representation of what actually happens. Fr Malone said, yes, they are (from what he'd heard) pretty faithful and exact. Shelagh also noted that Pope Francis mentions the Devil a lot. Fr Peter said that the Devil is a way of representing evil in the world. Shelagh then wondered whether it's harder to scare us with the Devil these days as few people believe in him literally. Fr Peter doesn't thing so, and said that people at the time thought it was lapsed Christians who might have been more scared by The Exorcist.



Next week the European Parliament will vote on a proposal to criminalise people who pay for sex. Our reporter Trevor Barnes looks at how this could impact on those working in the sex-trade industry.

This was a subject tackled by Newsnight this week too. It centred on the efforts of Labour MEP Mary Honeyball to criminalise men's purchase of sex - i.e. the Nordic model of dealing with prostitution. Opponents of the move believe it will drive prostitution further underground and make it more dangerous. Both Mary Honeyball and Steve Chalke of the UN argue for  the law change on feminist/gender equality grounds. Against them we heard from Niki Adams of the English Collective of Prostitutes, who wants prostitution fully decriminalised, and from a volunteer in London who expressed her fears that the safety of prostitutes could be make further compromised by such a law. 142 sex workers have been murdered since 1990, said Chris Armitt of Merseyside Police, and said that most prostitute have not been trafficked. 

I've no complaints about this report, as it was fully balanced.



In the week that the Welfare system became a battle ground between Church and State, the Rt Revd David Walker, Bishop of Manchester, John Battle, Anti-Poverty Campaigner with the Leeds West Debt Forum and Peter Hitchens, Columnist for the Mail on Sunday discuss how welfare can be reformed in a way that is morally right.

This, of course, was the feature I was complaining about in advance yesterday and, unfortunately, it was as biased as you might expect if you have two people on one side of the argument and only one on the other - especially when the two opponents of the welfare reports - the Bishop of Manchester and former Labour MP John Battle - acted as something of a tag team by repeatedly interrupting and rounding on Peter Hitchens, and regularly agreeing with each other.

I can't think why it was considered necessary to have Bishop Walker and Mr Battle on together. Mr Battle was surely not needed.  

What of Shelagh's interviewing?

Well, unquestionably, Peter Hitchens got the most robust questioning from her, which frankly only adds biased insult to biased injury. Still, she did ask the Rt Revd David Walker, Bishop of Manchester, one of the signatories of the Daily Mirror letter, about polls showing that the majority of people - and Anglicans - are in favour of benefit cuts, and whether that means that he's out of touch.

The government was repeatedly attacked during the discussion and no one was there to defend it. Peter Hitchens said "I'm not here to defend the government", and he didn't, so all three attacked the 'bedroom tax' - which is where that fourth guest I mooted yesterday was so sorely needed.

Still, at least we heard something you very rarely hear on Sunday - a quote from the Bible. Peter Hitchens quoted 2 Thessalonians: For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

Fancy hearing quotes from the Bible on Radio 4's Sunday!

Sunday, 22 September 2013

Sunday Sunday


It's a bit late today, and I know you've all been waiting with baited breath, so...

This morning's Sunday began with the massacre in Kenya, concentrating on al-Shabab - who are they and what they want - with the BBC's guy there [and rather him than me], Mark Doyle. 

Guest presenter Shelagh Fogarty then talked to Labour's Stephen Timms about the Labour Party and faith. He thinks there's something of a left-wing tendency among believers in the UK - unlike in the USA - which could work to Labour's advantage. This follows last week's interview with Lib Dem minister Steve Webb about the Liberal Democrat Party, and faith.  Presumably next week it will be an interview with a Conservative MP about the Conservatives and faith. [Failure to do that would look terrible for them, bias-wise].

There then came a report  about Bishop Edward King Chapel at Ripon College, Oxfordshire - the first religious building to be shortlisted for the RIBA Stirling Prize.  This is what it looks like:




The burqa/niqab debate didn't pan out in the pre-announced way. There was no niqab-wearing Muslim student after all, merely Dr Sara Silvestri from City University, London. She's not in favour of 'banning the niqab'. Maybe they realised that having such a one-sided debate [as the one planned] wasn't a wise move, bias-wise. 

Dr Silvestri said the issue of 'Muslim women and the veil' is "not really a big probably", it's "a phantom" people bring up for "ideological" reasons to take attention away from bigger issues. Shelagh echoed that straight back to her, "Almost as though I have this big problem I can't solve, so I'll go to this small thing that isn't really a problem and turn it into one." 

That discussion was prefaced by an interview with the BBC's Switzerland correspondent Imogen Foulkes, who I only ever seem to hear when there's a story about 'racist' or 'Islamophobia' in the country. [Does nothing else happen there?] A Swiss canton is holding a ballot on whether to ban the burqa, and local Muslims are feeling aggrieved about it. The supporters of the move are all "right-wing" - if Imogen's account of the story is accurate. We heard from one such aggrieved Muslim, but from no supporters of the move. Imogen Foulkes sounded even less keen on banning the burqa than Sara Silvestri [though Sara isn't the one who's supposed to be an impartial BBC reporter].

There was also a chat with Paddy Agnew of the Irish Times about Pope Francis and his views on the Church, which panned out much as you'd expect, and the programme ended with another discussion [and there have been a few in recent weeks on the programme] about Northern Ireland with Rev Norman Hamilton, a Presbyterian minister in North Belfast, David McKittrick, Ireland Correspondent for the Independent and the Rev Alistair Smyth, Deputy Grand Master of the Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland.

There was another feature, but I'll deal with that separately.