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Thursday, 18 August 2016

When Victoria met Ajmal

Yesterday’s piece about Victoria Derbyshire has been described as ‘good humoured’. Well, as Bob Monkhouse so presciently said, I’m not laughing now.

New day; new scenario. The Victoria Derbyshire programme in the background, sound turned way down low. 

I caught an occasional glimpse of the caption. Obesity; Olympics; blah blah blah. At one point Victoria seemed desperate to find something - anything  - new or interesting to say about the Olympics and all but ground to a halt. But then…

Did I mention that she was wearing a terrible shirt today? It set the tone. 

One minute (yesterday) she was castigating Jeremy Corbyn in an almost terrier-like manner over the antisemitism in the Labour party and his apparent reluctance to do anything tangible to change it.
Next minute, (today) there she was, listening, with almost ostentatious sympathy, to three guests decrying Islamophobia. “There has been a recent study.” 


We’ll leave the fact that Islam has been officially designated a ‘race’ for now. Let’s concentrate on the BBC’s role in this affair.  We’re shown a short film.




A young woman in a hijab ‘student Ruqaiya Haris’ is in a park with the BBC’s Catrin Nye, being interviewed about islamophobia. A caption says: ‘A BBC interview on Islamophobia has been interrupted by Islamophobia.’  Oh noes! 

The Islamophobia in question was committed by man named Paul who had apparently mentioned Sharia Law. What he had actually said or to whom was not shown in the film.
The ensuing mini drama might not have turned out entirely the way the BBC intended. In my opinion. 
Ms Haris put her hands on her hips “Do you want to talk about Sharia?” she screamed at Paul; the BBC reporter is clearly chipping in as well. 
Rather than a helpless Muslim being victimised for wearing a hijab by an Islamophobic hooligan, it looked more like an aggressive Muslima attacking a somewhat inarticulate man for  criticising Sharia. The hapless Paul was painted ‘racist’ and the BBC seemed satisfied that they had made their point.  

Do we want Sharia law? Does Victoria Derbyshire, the terrier-like critic of antisemitism in the Labour party want Sharia Law? 

Let's also mention the man from Demos, Carl Miller, playing the part of useful idiot. If ever there was a need to demonstrate the epitome of useful idiocy, I nominate this man. 

However, the most unsettling aspect of the whole thing was a the BBC’s choice of guest number three. Imam Ajmal Masroor.    

This person is a frequent guest of the BBC. He has been seen on The Big Questions more frequently than Victoria Derbyshire’s shirts. And once he starts talking, there’s no stopping him. It’s verbal incontinence gawn mad, and it keeps going, on and on, over and above everyone who dare disagree. How many times have we heard the story about his ten-year old nephew who wanted to stop being a Muslim? (because of Islamophobia) Several. We’ve heard it several times; it’s supposed to convey pathos.  We don’t actually hear whether he tells his ten year old nephew that apostasy is ‘frowned upon’. 

Is one ‘born’ Muslim? 
If so, then I suppose Islam is a kind of race, in which case how does that fit in with the contention that I.S. is nothing to to with Islam?




Only yesterday people were arguing about whether Anjem Choudary should have been ‘given a platform’ on the BBC. Some of us thought that his blatant advocacy was, in a way, a breath of fresh air. Anjem made no bones about it. He set out the principles of Sharia, the longed for ‘world-wide Caliphate’ and all the other ‘ideal-world’  lifestyle practices that make Islam so incompatible with Western values. (That cliche). He set it all out in no uncertain terms.

Now we have people like Ajmal and Ruqaiya Haris defending Sharia and their right to do what they want in ‘their own country’ (“We’re born here!”) and telling us that Islamic State are merely thugs and criminals and NTDWI. 
The fact that Ms Haris was born here is also quite worrying, as it indicates that the kind of militant unwillingness to integrate is on a downward trajectory, and the more we enable it with programmes like this, the more entrenched it will become.

At one point Victoria Derbyshire warned her guests that she was now going to read out some comments from viewers that they might not like. Comments that disagree with them. Steel yourselves!

An keyboard warrior had the audacity to mention antisemitism. Yes, that antisemitism. Not the antisemitism that you could safely attack because it was coming from the British Labour Party’s hard left. No, they mentioned the unmentionable antisemitism that emanates from Muslims.  Muslims like Ajmal Masroor, in fact. Victoria dutifully read out the message and swiftly moved on. She did not press the good Imam on the topic, but let me take you to this:


Jewish News published an opinion piece in July 2015, headlined: ‘Where are the mainstream Muslim voices?’ 

Written by editor Richard Ferrer, it addressed then prime minister David Cameron’s call to tackle “non-violent extremists who radicalise young people and overpower mainstream Muslim opinion”.

Ferrer wrote: “The danger [of radicalisation] does not come from mad mullahs such as Anjem Choudary. Rather, consider a popular mainstream Imam like Ajmal Masroor… who preaches that Zionism “stands for racism and Jewish supremacist ideology”… warns of “abusers” in the UK “Jewish lobby” and the “Jewish supremacist ideology” that “holds our government hostage”. 

Rather than accept Jewish News’ invitation of a right of reply, lawyers for the popular Imam, who regularly appears on television and leads services at mosques across London, threatened to sue Jewish News for libel – effectively gagging this newspaper from reporting further on an important and timely issue of public concern. 

After five months of exchanges between Masroor’s legal team and Jewish News’ lawyer Mark Lewis, partner at law firm Seddons, the one-year limitation on libel claims came to an end on 25 July without Masroor serving his threatened defamation lawsuit – finally allowing us to make his legal threats known to the public. 

Responding to the libel challenge, Ferrer said: “The point of my column was to show how British Muslim opinion can be overpowered by extremists posing as moderates. By attacking this viewpoint, the Imam proved my point. 

“The concept of Jewish supremacist ideology is pure bigotry. The Imam’s reference to the abuse of “Jewish identity” to “hold our government hostage” is textbook anti-Semitism. His views are the problem, not the solution. There is no place for such anti-Semitism in society. If the Imam wants to constructively engage in a debate he should accept our offer of a right of reply – an offer that remains open.” 

A spokesman for the Community Security Trust said: “We are having an increasing number of open and constructive conversations with Muslims in which they admit to having, or having had, no knowledge of what Zionism actually is: other than an entirely hateful grasp of the word, such as that expressed by Ajmal Masroor. 

“We need our communities to better understand each other and imams have a crucial role to play, moving beyond such limited and negative stereotypes of something that is for many Jews just a basic part of their identity.” 

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Masroor leads prayer services at mosques in Palmers Green, Goodge Street, West Ealing and Haringey and is a regular media commentator on issues concerning British Muslims

Oddly enough, one of the arguments used by Masroor himself is in there - penultimate paragraph. 

“A spokesman for the Community Security Trust said: “We are having an increasing number of open and constructive conversations with Muslims in which they admit to having, or having had, no knowledge of what Zionism actually is: other than an entirely hateful grasp of the word, such as that expressed by Ajmal Masroor.”

That is exactly what Masroor claims would lead to a better understanding of Islam and Sharia. “We need to know what it actually is.“  

That’s why some people would far rather the BBC gave their precious platforms to the likes of Anjem Choudary who fills that brief in no uncertain terms, than to people who pretend to be moderates, but who really wish to impose their religion on the rest of us. 

Sunday, 25 September 2016

Sunday Morning Live


I blame Sue. 

It's the only thing I blame her for, but leading me into regularly watching those ghastly Sunday morning BBC One religious programmes placed in between Andrews Marr and Neil is something definitely to be held against her! 

(Please imagine a whole row of 'smileys' extending towards infinity).

Today's Sunday Morning Live (the better one of those programmes) discussed whether British soldiers should be immune from vexatious prosecutions, whether the young are disadvantaged by the old, and whether Islam should be more British (there's almost always a Muslim question). 

There was also an interview with Christian Olympic boxer Nicola Adams (though her interest in Muhammad Ali seems to have interested the programme more)...

Nicola Adams and the BBC's Samanthi Flanagan

...and, to end, a song "inspired by the refugee crisis" from Deacon Blue.

The programme had Frederick Forsyth on and the Daily Express claims that "Naga Munchetty LOSES COOL as Frederick Forsyth defends UK troops while 'ISIS play victim'". 

What actually happened was that Naga completely misunderstood Freddie's point. He was saying that British soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan were facing an enemy that - unlike the conventional Argentinian army during the Falklands War - doesn't wear military uniform, thus making it easy for such people to pretend to be civilians and then go on to make vexatious claims against the British army. Naga didn't register that and wrongly assumed he'd said that the British soldiers facing accusations weren't wearing uniforms and, thus, challenged him on that (without, I think, 'loosing her cool' at all).

The main 'Muslim spokesman' today was Sunday morning BBC One regular Ajmal Masroor - someone they seem to have on speed-dial.  He did 'lose his cool' when Freddie Forsyth pointed to the new problem (for the UK) of inter-Muslim killing, following the killing by a Muslim fundamentalist of an Ahmadiyya Glasgow shopkeeper who'd wished his Christian customers a 'Happy Easter'. Ajmal went mad, ranting that that was just one case in several million. 

Alas, there was no Douglas Murray or David Vance on today's programme to point out to Imam Masroor that there have been other cases - such as the horrific murder of the elderly Sufi Jalal Uddin in Rochdale by another Muslim fundamentalist fanatic. 

Nor was there anyone to challenge Ajmal Masroor on his assertions (beyond SML), reported in the Times last week, that the murdered Imam Uddin was a "sinner" engaged in "voodoo" practises "totally forbidden in Islam", and, thus, guilty of a "grave sin" - though he also called the murder "barbaric". British Sufis, the Times reported, have called Mr Masroor's comments "a theological justification" for murder, and the Quilliam Foundation has agreed with their concerns.

And yet the BBC saw fit to invite the self-same Ajmal Masroor on today, as they've done so many times before.

And no one - no one at all - challenged him on what he'd said about the late Jalal Uddin, bludgeoned to death in a children's play area by a British Salafist.

Was no one at Sunday Morning Live even aware of the row over Mr Masroor's comments this week? (I'm sure Douglas Murray and David Vance would have been aware of that).

Monday, 16 June 2014

Left standing.

Returning from a short spell away from the BBC and the internet I thought I detected a slight, but perfectly formed shift in the atmosphere.

I looked online at Sky news to see what was being said about the kidnapping of the three Israeli teenagers. The BBC was slow to report this story.

I looked on the Sky website and read the comments under the report of the incident. The discussion had strayed to the shooting dead of two Palestinian teenagers during a nakba-day demonstration. Two ‘teenage’ incidents with an implied comparison between the relative fuss over the “missing” Israelis and an ‘all in a day’s work‘ approach to the “murdered” Palestinians. 

The number of Palestinian casualties resulting from the Israel/Palestine conflict all but renders another couple of Palestinian deaths unexceptional, almost routine, and the mainstream media’s default, cut-and-dried, reflexive blaming and condemnation of Israel equally so. 

However, the very ‘ordinariness’, or predictability of the media’s automatic, unquestioning accusations against Israel are in the spotlight, because in this case there is something fishy about these particular shootings. There is an element of suspected Pallywoodesque tampering; the Al Durah factor. The IDF’s clearly defined use of rubber bullets. The pristine ‘live’ bullet found in the backpack. The odd way the victim fell. Discrepancies in various film clips. These anomalies have thrown doubts  into an already volatile mix. Not so long ago any such doubts would have been dismissed out of hand by most people, whose minds were firmly set in anti-Israel mode. 

Is something prompting people to pause before automatically blaming and condemning Israel for everything bad that happens?  The surprising thing is that below the line, all the comments were supportive of Israel.  When has that happened before? 

That is, even though it might appear that two possibly ‘innocent’ Palestinian teenagers have lost their lives, and the shooter could have been an IDF soldier, and even though the three kidnapped Israelis have been well and truly labelled ‘settlers’, the below the line comments were still making points sympathetic to the Israeli point of view. So is that significant?

Has the Trojan Horse, combined with rapidly expanding worldwide Islamist warmongering rung some alarm bells ? Has it sparked a connection, caused penny to drop, struck a chord?   If so, all the BBC’s efforts to play down the more absurd and the more violent manifestations of the ROP will be a complete waste of their time, simply because the audience might decide it aint having any of it.

Here’s more. 
Look at the thread on Harry’s Place which tackles the same issue. It focuses on a gloating Tweet from a contributor to Electronic Intifada expressing delight at the kidnapping. Her remarks didn’t go down quite as well as she hoped.
The comments section is the jewel in H/P’s crown, and some commenters have also noticed a slight shift in attitudes. In regard to yesterday’s The Big Questions. 

Commenter Kreplach says:
“Please try and catch a recording of The Big Question. Watch around 25 minutes a radical Muslim arsehole attack Jews in front of a woman Rabbi. He asks Nawaz to condemn the Jews because the same texts about stoning are in the Old Testament. She eventually replies, visibly upset.Later refers to the anti-Semitism against her.”

(The arsehole is Adnan Rashid)

Sarah AB (mod) replies:
“It was utterly appalling. I knew he was awful, but he was much worse than I thought he'd be (in public). It was quite shocking. Maajid and the rabbi were excellent. He seemed ignorant, and indeed plain stupid, as well as hateful. Ugh.”
Shazza observes:
“For too long now Islam has been given a free pass. He was attempting to deflect blame, attack being the best form of defence but today it backfired. I think he was expecting support, the usual sick applause when Israel is being denigrated - today it was not forthcoming.As for hateful, I would say that represents the understatement of his attack. I also think that Douglas Murray together with Maajid and the rabbi were excellent.Has anyone else noticed that lately there seems to be more open and truthful discussion re Islam being allowed on the MSM?”

I did watch the Big Questions by the way, as well as Craig and some of the H/P commentariat. As soon as I spotted the familiar characters sitting on the front row I knew some turbulent viewing would ensue. “Should Britain stop tolerating intolerance?” was Sunday’s one and only BIG question.

 Douglas Murray, Daniel Hannan, Peter Hitchens, Rabbi Laura Janner-Klausner, Maajid Nawaz, Ajmal Masroor of the MCB (who believes Christianity is becoming obsolete in the East end of London because, unlike Islam, it fails to offer a clear coherent message about God) Myriam Francoise-Cerrah, Kevin Friery, “psychologist and Hampshire Skeptics” and Adnan Rashid.

Nicky didn’t want to talk about the Trojan Horse issue, but everyone else  couldn’t resist doing so. “Gove” came in for the usual character assassination. The contents of the Trojan Horse letter was discredited in Ajmal Masroor’s eyes because the document was merely a hoax. 

Don't call me a convert!

The shrill Muslim ‘revert’ Myriam got all hot under the hijab because someone called her a ‘convert’. “Don’t call me a convert” she demanded angrily during a brief hiatus in the constant barrage of interruptions she foisted upon other speakers as opinionated Muslim spokespersons are wont to do, thus ruining the prospect of any kind of reasoned debate. When things didn’t go her way, she contorted her handsome face into a supercilious smirk, as if to say these fools are so exasperatingly wrong-headed that all I can do is laugh at y’all.

Ajmal Masroor wondered why “we don’t question the Jewish community’s separatist school system.” 

Peter Hitchens put his bellowing voice and his own supercilious expression to good use while Douglas Murray argued calmly, with, I thought, a touch of resignation.  Daniel Hannan spoke up for English Values with passion and authority, the Rabbi countered with conviction when Adnan Rashid made unpleasant insinuations about “the Jews” to an almost palpable girding of loins. Daniel Hannan said that Rashid’s attempt to redefine Muslims as the new Jews -  (everything the Muslims believe in, the Jews believe in too) was something he never thought he’d hear in Britain, adding that found remarks about “The Jews” offensive, after which Ajmal Masroor  suddenly objected to people referring to “The Muslims.” 

Maajid Nawaz, perhaps with his Lib Dem aspirations in mind, is expressing some increasingly secular concepts in public lately . One wonders what actually separates him from out-and-out secularism, or dare I say, straightforward apostasy, apart from losing his asaMuslim credentials.

I often watch this programme. It’s got a populist appeal. But then, I sometimes watch “Goggle Box’ too, which, with the voice-over by Caroline Aherne, must surely be a spoof. Can real people really, really be that ridiculous?  

Anyway, some time ago, when The Big Questions first started on the BBC, or rather before it found its feet, it was a shambles. It was what’s commonly referred to as ‘car-crash ‘ television. The wrong people, including inarticulate members of the the audience, were allowed too much time to speak and others allowed too little. The featured participants were fairly low calibre and the whole thing appeared ideologically pro Muslim and stultifyingly politically correct. They seemed to be trying to boost the viewing figures by gratuitously sensationalising  the subject matter, whatever they happened to tackle, and they somehow managed to make the actual Big Questions unanswerable by using obscure and loaded phrasing.  

Nowadays Nicky Campbell appears to have got the hang of it. He is able to shut people up when necessary and manages not to alienate them whilst doing so. Also, he seems to have more of a grasp of the public’s mood than he did initially. When one remembers the Immigration Row debate on Channel 5 hosted by Anne Diamond and Nick Ferrari, one has to acknowledge the comparative genius of Nicky Campbell.

The unexpected reactions of certain commenters on the Sky website haven’t prevented Sky News from reverting to type sad to say.

Let’s end this by mentioning the BBC’s recent cluster of rampant pro-Palestinianism.


As Craig mentioned below, an edition of Desert Island Discs had Kirsty Young sympathetically  drawing out a life story tinged with bitterness from the castaway, Palestinian writer and lawyer Raja Shehadeh, whose passive aggressive account of his personal experiences was almost trumped by Ed Stourton’s sorrowfully recounted, selective list of Palestinian grievances on the World this Weekend through its one-sided report on the Middle East situation.


The BBC is destined to be ‘the last man standing’ while the rest of us look and listen as the Trojan Horse rumbles on and Islamist uprisings rapidly spread throughout the planet. With 90% of all news being Islam-related the reality of what lies behind the Palestinians' rejectionist attitude to Israel and ‘peace’ is slowly dawning on some of us, but it obstinately remains a mystery to the pundits at the BBC.  

Update:



Two substantial reasons why choosing Raja Shehadeh as a castaway was effectively a political statement.  
First, his background of anti-semitic anti-Israel advocacy tinged with revisionist and “remarkably a-historical” assertions. (H/T 'Wild' @ B-BBC)

Second, Kirsty Young’s intentional or unintentional sycophancy oozing with unspoken yet profoundly sinister empathy. (H/T BBC Watch)

Sunday, 28 June 2015

Sunday Masochism Live

Radio 4’s Sunday programme was but an amuse bouche served before the meal proper, which was Sunday Morning Live; quite a meal it was too. It was roughly to do with Ramadan and I.S.


First we have the permanently startled looking Sian Williams who’s supposed to keep order. The guests inflicted upon her by the BBC speed-dial department don’t make matters easy. They tend to favour verbally incontinent Muslims like Ajmal Masroor, who can’t bear to listen to anyone but themselves,  and who often keep going without even bothering to do that.

In the middle sat Sian wearing a skimpy skirt made out of a scarf perilously held together by a short frontal zip. The strain of keeping it in place must have added to the general stress. 

Today, from left to right, we had John Gaunt, who isn’t the least bit gaunt, in fact he’s built on a different scale to many of us. He has invented a word, ‘unequivicedly’, which is  similar to ‘undoubtably’, but a tiny bit more emphatic. 
Sian invented ‘commonalist’ for ‘columnist’, probably because of the skirt.

Next to Gaunt was Dr Saleyha Ahsan whom Sian introduced as an A & E doctor and a former army captain.  
Dr Ahsan said “I’m an A & E doctor. Y’know, I spend my time fixing people. I have nothink in common with the people that pick up a gun and shoot - and murder people. Why do I then... have to....”     wave my hands around all the time? is what she might have been about to ask. I for one would like to know. 

On Sian’s left, but to our right, was a Christian lady called Andrea who wasn’t going to get much of a look in, and to the extreme right was our old friend Ajmal.

"Are we ignorant about Islam?" flashed across the screen. 

Yup. We are, and so is everyone else, especially Islamic State, infidels, moderate Muslims, extreme Muslims and, really, everyone but Ajmal Masroor. Luckily he was there to enlighten us.

Andrea wants to go the the Koran .”They justify this by the text, they do this for Allah...” 
People were looking daggers at her. “The text of the Koran actually permits them to do it” she continued. “Jihad is one of the five pillars!” 

Chaos ensues. All hell breaks loose.

“Hold on Hold on!” “You’ve just shown the depth of ignorance that even remains within our civilised discourse. There’s no Jihad in the five pillars. Let me finish. No no hold on”.

Shouting ensues. All hell breaks loose again.

Ajmal told us what the five pillars are, one for each finger - the thumb being ‘testification of God’ - and he added that Islam was tolerant, that hijabs are cultural not Islamic, and he recounted that his nephew said “Uncle, I don’t want to be an Muslim any more. People in the playground are calling me terrorist.”  
I was hoping someone might ask Uncle Ajmal what would happen if his nephew did stop being a Muslim, but no-one did. 
“If our ignorance about Islam is terrorising young Muslims and stopping them identifying as Muslims, that’s why we need to know about Islam”, said Ajmal.

John Gaunt doesn’t need to know anything about Islam, but  Ajmal said we all need to know about our neighbours. Everyone started saying “I respect your views”, before laying into each other. Their voices rose to high-pitched shrieks.

Sian has a giant pair of specs. She isn’t sure whether to use them or not. She peers through them without putting them on.

The funniest thing is that they’ve done away with the poll. The audience always got it wrong, so they’ve acquired a large TV screen for displaying emails instead, and someone behind the scenes picks out some suitably balanced interjections from the general unintelligentsia. 

Forums for dummies. Islam for dummies. TV for dummies equals morbid fascination.

The rest of the episode continued in similar fashion, with some different guests and a cute Sudanese refugee with a large prayer bump on his forehead and soulful piano music playing in the background. Amnesty International said we should take them all.


The whole thing is even more unedifying that The Big Questions, and that’s saying something.

Monday, 28 April 2014

Trojan Elephant.

There are several pieces on the web about Robert Fisk’s disgraceful report in the Independent, a newspaper that has acquired a reputation for being even more antisemitic than the Guardian. Fisk himself couldn’t have Fisked it any more Fiskishly than Cif Watch has here.
Hamas…handed Israel a gift by bombarding Sderot from Gaza with thousands of inaccurate rockets, most of them home-made. It allowed Israel to kill hundreds of Palestinian civilians as it sought revenge, and deprived the Israeli left (that which still existed) of their support for the original Israeli withdrawal from Gaza;
Amongst a sack of disingenuous chaff in that paragraph there is one grain of truth. 

Of course anything that harms your enemy hands them a potential propaganda gift at the same time.  It’s when only the gift is seized upon and any injury or harm is all but forgotten that things become more complex. For example, when the Fogel family were butchered by Palestinian youths, some of us used that  (and still do) to illustrate the sadistic nature of individual acts of Palestinian “resistance”. But there would be something deeply wrong if we relished its impact as a weapon more than we anguished over the stark brutality of the act and its impact on the survivors. Not to mention the very idea that this deed had handed anyone a gift.

Similarly, when the Israeli army (arguably legitimately) rashly used white phosphorus near civilians, they too could be said to have handed a ghastly gift to their enemies. The fact that this has been interpreted as a deliberate attack on civilians and is now embedded into the narrative as such was so predictable that the mind boggles as to why its use was ever authorised. As we would all know, if the BBC hadn’t systematically avoided reporting it, the Israelis take great pains to avoid harming civilians even when responding to deliberate and outrageous provocation, often to the detriment of their own safety. No wonder it’s so easy to seize upon such things when there is little or no interest from the BBC in countering them.

The BBC’s habit of allowing a litany of embellished falsehoods to be repeated on air, unchallenged, was demonstrated in Sunday’s The Big Questions. “Is Islamism the biggest threat to the modern world?”
This was supposed to be a debate about Tony Blair’s infamous warning about the threat from Islamism. 

Anne Marie Waters (Sharia Watch) and Sam Westrop (Gatestone institute) were pitted against a gaggle of the BBC’s favourite Muslims, ranging from Usama Hasan (Quilliam)  through Bangladeshi-born British Imam Ajmal Masroor to Abdel Bari Atwan (from multiple BBC appearances as ‘expert on the Middle East’, the most inappropriate description that there ever in this world could be, as well as a regular on the panel of the BBC’s Dateline.)

 “It’s an exaggerated threat” opines Atwan, and “Tony Blair is responsible”  before launching into an  illogical diatribe of exquisite stupidity, ending “we-in-the-West *created* Islamism.”  Predictable Blair-bashing ensued.
“Mr Atwan, you famously said ‘Were nuclear missiles ever to strike Israel I would dance in Trafalgar Square’  so I don’t think...”
“This is misquotation. This is not true..”
“It’s not true? You never said that?”
“no no no no. It was out of context”
“What does that mean?”
“I was talking an hour programme, they took few seconds and anyway who is bomb-bing? Who is bomb-bing the Arabs now? The Israelis. Who is committing massacres against Arabs? The Israelis!”
You cannot call this a debate. The Muslims seem incapable of listening to anything but their own voices. Once they start, they cannot be stopped.

Sam Westrop promises to post, on the Stand for Peace website, conclusive proof that Ajmal Masroor did claim that American security forces orchestrated the Mumbai attacks, and also that the Westgate shopping mall attack by Boko Haram was  the work of shadowy forces. Which he denies.

“Hamas leader is honest and great man as opposed to Benjamin Netanyahu anytime” announces Masroor, to loud applause.

Nasr Emam (Muslim Chaplain in Scarborough) is wearing an distinctly unIslamic tie. He splutters:
“I don’t support Hamas. Hamas isn’t even an Islamic ideology.”
“What is it then?”
“Waffle waffle. They want their country back. Waffle waffle inanity splutter. Who is funding you (Anne Marie) to pay for Sharia Watch?”
UnIslamic tie

Uh oh. Palestinian Musher el-Farra of Sheffield PSC is on the programme. On the front row.
Why? Obviously to tell us that Hamas is the outcome of Israeli Zionist aggression and repeat the lies that have embedded themselves into the narrative. “Phosphoric bombs” “Ethnic cleansing of Palestinians” “Massacres” Lies that are accepted as the truth; so embedded that they can be uttered unchallenged.

“... ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians which started in 1948 when they destroyed five hundred thirty two villages.” 
Musher el-Farra wants Tony Blair to be prosecuted for war crimes against the Iraqi people. Thunderous applause.
 “The killin’ of fishermen... just for fishin’ in the waters. The killin' of farmers, the pollutin’ of Palestinian waters..” ”Killin’ of people wavin’ white flags, all this.. don’t talk to me about threat radicalism and threat to global... Islamism........Zionism is....... Israel is big power....” 
No more Mrs. nice-guy; I use dialect in a denigrating manner because I’m fed up with half-wits being afforded credibility by the BBC in their relentless unprincipled pursuit of ratings. 
This man cannot be stopped. He’s in full flow, eyes blazing. Nicky Campbell  has to put a hand on his arm to get him to stop.

In my opinion the BBC introduced this person and Abdel Bari Atwan into the mix solely because the BBC knew they would automatically launch themselves off into anti-Israel tirades, thereby tidily diverting the topic away from facing the undeniable truth. That Islam is incompatible with the West and it is indeed the biggest threat to the modern world.

In my opinion, no Imam, no spokesperson for Islam, no community leader, no Islamic authority I've ever seen or heard is sure about what exactly Islam is. They cannot agree on what Islam is as a religion, they are evasive about what Islamism is as an ideology and no-one can agree upon the legitimacy of much of the weighty paraphernalia that surrounds the whole doom-ridden palaver. 

The one motivating, unifying element, the only thing that they’ll readily agree upon, the glue that holds them together, is their hatred of Israel and the Jews. That is what sets them on fire. Their eyes glow, their hands flail and their tongues lash. 

Why do I think the bulk of the audience is so ready to clap at any anti-Israel utterance, and boo and hiss at the slightest mention of the Israeli Prime Minister? 

Because of the BBC’s anti-Israel bias by omission, its susceptibility to pro-Palestinian emoting and its politically correct kow-towing to half-wits. 

Look at this document (H/T Biased BBC) download from here  setting out rules for Muslim education. What a load of restrictive, repressive, cruel orders.

My husband’s “Rules Concerning Toast” make more sense. And they were (half) tongue-in-cheek.

One minute The MCB issues a 72 page document detailing a list of intrusive demands that schools adapt to 72 pages-worth of Islamic superstitions, the next this statement:  'Education and Muslims: End this Witch-Hunt of British Muslims' denying that state schools are the target of a 'Muslim takeover', where supposedly conservative Muslim views and mores are imposed, and where non-compliant teachers are forced out.


Never mind the Trojan Elephant. It’s Islam itself that is ‘in the room’, and this room ain’t big enough for both of us.

Thursday, 30 July 2015

Antisemitism and the media

We hear that there’s a sharp rise in antisemitic incidents, perhaps because Jews are now more likely to report them. (Or because of the negative way Israel and Jews are portrayed in the British media.) The Today programme announced this news clearly enough, but didn’t seem curious about the how, the why or the wherefore.  

Get an earful of Ajmal Masroor’s ugly Speech about Zionism and the Zionist Lobby. Do listen, at least for a few minutes.
Masroor is one of the BBC’s go-to faces of normative, moderate Islam. He’s a frequent guest on The Big Questions. 

In his comfort zone, away from the BBC and in front of a fawning congregation of brothers and sisters this grinning puppet believes he is a big man. He puts on an act. For this audience he’s the ranting, raving fanatic, spewing out a stream of anti-British, anti-Israel, illogical, lying rubbish, delivered with a histrionic yet faltering Shakespearian swagger interspersed with Arabic.

Think Sir Laurence Olivier reciting Mehdi Hasan’s cattle diatribe with a touch of the late Ian Paisley; mix in the Zionist lobby, Palestine, racism, Jewish supremacism, the biggest concentration camp in the world while channeling 'Hamlet'. Then add a tearful six-year old girl/boy sobbing on the phone, double it and stick a cherry on top.

There you have Imam Masroor, the person the BBC has the cheek and the idiocy to beam into our homes on a Sunday morning without a health warning.  Then try and work out why Muslims believe what they do. 



Friends

People often use the term “friends” loosely, other than in a strictly literal way. They say it sarcastically, or sort of ironically, as in ‘our feathered friends’, or slightly disparagingly if they were referring to a bunch of delinquents. 

For example I don’t know if Bill Grundy ever said “our friends the Sex Pistols”, but he probably would not have meant it literally if he did.
We also use ‘friends’ as a collective term for people to whom we are kindly disposed, but don’t necessarily know personally. In other words, in the way we assume Jeremy Corbyn means it when he refers to Hamas and Hezbollah. Of course he could have been using the term cynically, but he didn’t claim that.

Obsessing about one potentially ambiguous word in isolation produces a lazy, unconvincing argument. That interview on Channel 4, the one with ‘friends’.

Krishnan Guru-Murthy’s tactic  - attempted ‘demolition by repetition’ - was originally created by Jeremy Paxman on a bad day, and unfortunately, much copied thereafter. 
Who could forget Michael Howard - “did you or did you not”-  and while we’re at it, remember Mishal Husain’s infamous “How many Israelis were killed?” with Gill Hoffman. (not enough for her) I call that cheap, lazy, wrong-headed and low.

It was refreshing in one way though. At least Guru-Murthy tackled an awkward subject - antisemitism - albeit tangentially. It doesn’t matter what word Jeremy Corbyn uses when he refers to radical Islamic Jew-hating militia. It’s the fact that he supports them, speaks alongside them at rallies and participates in questionable Palestinian solidarity events that is the problem. Or should be.

In this BBC-led nationwide drive to embrace diversity, a frightening number of people are willing to turn a blind eye to antisemitism. When Jeremy Corbyn is interviewed the questioner, Andrew Marr for instance, will usually ignore the issue altogether. I do wonder what would have happened if Corbyn had actually held his hands up and said yes, I sympathise with my friends Hamas and Hezbollah, and although I am not an antisemite I can understand  those that are. He wouldn’t be the first one to say that. Then Guru-Murthy might have said, “Oh! So do I!” and they could have lived happily ever after.

Polls show that Muslims are generally ill-disposed towards Jews, if not individual Jews - some of whom may be their best friends - they’re almost universally opposed to the existence of Israel (as the Jewish state) and most are immersed in the narrative of the Palestinian media machine.  
Everybody knows this, but it doesn’t seem to bother them. In their need to embrace diversity, antisemitism is a kind of under-the-counter glitch that cannot be directly confronted. It bothers me though, quite a lot. It bothers me that it doesn’t bother you.
   
Corbyn thinks we should include the views of all comers in any debate, however unpalatable they might be.  People who embrace unacceptable ideas often plead that ‘silencing’ their unpopular views and opinions has a chilling effect on freedom of speech.

One might wonder what’s the point of trying to talk to intransigent bodies like Hamas and Hezbollah. No amount of talking will alter their genocidal aspirations. Unlike their equally inflexible ideological compatriots ISIL, Hamas and Hezbollah may be willing to bamboozle their gullible western opponents by making superficially plausible concessions, but at heart they will not be diverted from their core values.  Just like ISIL, they want to destroy Israel, kill Jews, restore the Middle East to undiluted Jew-free Islamic Statehood and be left to prosecute their Shia-Sunni differences in peace. Not in peace, but undisturbed.

Which brings me to Peter Oborne. Peter Oborne is a highly rated political pundit and another of those high profile personalities with  disturbing friendships. Hardly anyone seems to notice this, but if they do it doesn’t appear to bother them. They still employ Oborne on the BBC fairly regularly and treat his opinions with considerable respect. However, his latest project did ruffle a few feathers.
  
People have been wondering why the Guardian is giving a platform to Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Peter Oborne’s friendly chat with Abdul Wahid has been widely disseminated by way of the full-page spread in Guardian. 

In what appears to be an attempt to disparage David Cameron’s policy on “those he calls extremists”, (Oborne impliedly wouldn’t call them that himself) Oborne, like Corbyn, believes that we need to talk to them, whomever they are, especially if they’re opposed to Israel, or have been associated with extremism, or have been kicked out of HSBC. 
As the latest round of this debate has unfolded, one voice has been noticeably absent: that of the alleged extremist.” 
he declares, in his puff piece about his good friend Abdul Wahid.
Oborne proceeds to chat convivially to his occasional dinner companion, and he shares the conversation with us adding his own observations courtesy of the Guardian. 

He tackles Islam’s policies on terrorism, democracy and women, but what I’m more concerned about at the minute is the following: 
“I turn to the charge that his organisation is antisemitic. Fifteen years ago HT published a notorious article entitled The Muslim Ummah will never submit to the Jews.
It contained unpleasant language, some of which I read out to Wahid, and invite him to denounce the article. He refuses. “HT is not antisemitic at all, but we are absolutely anti-Zionist”
Oborne presents a verbatim account of Wahid’s justification of that dubious claim, the gist being: “It’s not about the Jews, but all about Israel, therefore understandable” and  “It’s out of context, lost in translation, merely the rhetoric of conflict” 

We must hear him out, Oborne says. The Guardian must let his views have an airing, otherwise there’s that ‘chilling effect,’ that obstructive shutting down of debate. Only it’s not really a debate, it’s more a matter of weasel words and spin unconvincingly masking outright antisemitism. 
The rest of the piece includes an affectionate snippet of biographical detail, a kind of apologia for HT and an admiring description of Wahid’s library. ‘He’s well-read, is my non-extremist friend. A cultured chap and an all-round good egg. “
“You can say many things about Wahid, and be appalled by much of what he says. But in a democracy he surely has the right to say it. Whatever the government thinks.”
There are 976 comments below the line, and not all of them very sympathetic I’m pleased to see, although there are still plenty of Israel-bashing contributors who nevertheless seem slightly uncomfortable with Abdul Wahid and Hizb ut-Tahrir.  

Oborne’s pretence of even-handedness is particularly worrying. In his “Israel lobby” days, (2009) he takes great pains to say that he had been to Israel on a trip funded by Conservative Friends of Israel, and had ‘tried to understand’. 
No pressure was put on me, at the time or later, to write anything in favour of Israel. The trip, which was paid for by the CFI, certainly enabled me to understand much better the Israeli point of view.”
In the event he evidently didn’t understand it at all. He clearly demonstrated that by citing the Gaza death toll and making an ignorant reference to Israel’s war crimes.

Of David Cameron’s speech at a Conservative Friends of Israel  lunch at the Dorchester  Oborne observes:
I was shocked to see that Cameron made no reference at all to the invasion of Gaza, the massive destruction it caused, or the 1,370 deaths that had resulted. Indeed, Cameron went out of his way to praise Israel because it “strives to protect innocent life”. I found it impossible to reconcile the remarks made by the young Conservative leader with the numerous reports of human rights abuses in Gaza.” [...]“It is impossible to imagine any British political leader showing such equanimity and tolerance if British troops had committed even a fraction of the human rights abuses and war crimes of which Israel has been accused.”
Wrong! On several counts, just wrong! 
This comes from the preamble to a written outline or a transcript of his Jewish Lobby “Dispatches” programme for Channel 4, which, for all its bluster amounted to nothing but an elaborate sensationalised hullaballoo about very little. However it does come remarkably close to the conspiracy theory nonsense that David Cameron gave as a specific example of the kind of thing we don’t need in these dangerous times.  

The BBC comes into the picture too. Did you know that the Jewish lobby puts a lot of effort into bullying the BBC?  Apparently Ben Bradshaw said:
“I’m afraid the BBC has been cowed by this relentless and persistent pressure from the Israeli government and they should stand up against it.”
Oborne even knows what’s in the Balen report.
“In October, the High Court finally ruled that the BBC does not have to publish the report, which has become an obsession for Israel’s supporters, who hold this up as the BBC trying to hide its anti-Israel bias.This is dubious. We have spoken to one of the very few people who have read the report. He says that far from concluding the BBC’s coverage was biased against Israel, it simply finds examples where more context should have been given. If anything, our source claims, the impression given is that the BBC is sympathetic to Israel.”
Oborne’s piece is little more than a detailed run-down of everyone and everything that has or might have Zionist lobbying connections, direct or indirect. It reads like those websites whose sole purpose was to  point out ‘Who’s a Jew.’ Do they still exist?

Covering his back from litigious Jewish tentacles, he says:
“ The pro-Israel lobby does nothing wrong, or illegal. It is not sinister and it is not unusual. It cannot be too much stressed that British public life is populated by all kinds of interest groups, many of them extremely active at Westminster. “
‘It’s just’, he claims, “that it’s not transparent.” 

Incidentally Oborne should be perfectly aware that  BICOM trips are more than matched by the CAABU trips. He should very well know that the Jewish lobby is outweighed by numerous pro-Palestinian and BDS organisations that are more vociferous, more overtly racist, more obnoxious, than the Jewish lobby. As Oborne admits, lobbying is part and parcel of the democratic process.

Since Oborne cites the Guardian I should mention someone else who paid a visit to Israel and came back with a bizarre tale that conveyed the opposite of the reality that was before his very (tight shut) eyes. It was of course Alan Rusbridger.  His short trip to Israel (2001) is described by Tom Gross. H/T UK Media Watch. (Also present on this trip was Ian Katz of BBC Newsnight.)

Despite being given, at first hand, the chance to observe the polite and courteous manner of Israeli soldiers, the relatively good standard of living enjoyed by Arab residents of Bethlehem and having had the opportunity to oversee their un-troublesome passage between Bethlehem and Israel, on his return Rusbridger wrote a poisonous travesty of what he had witnessed, which was published in the Spectator. 
In a conversation with Oborne, his friend Rusbridger also refers to the chilling effect:
“I think it would be a terribly dangerous thing if the British press were made to feel that they couldn’t criticise Israel because they are going to be held up as anti-Semitic. I think it is a very disreputable argument.”

Tom Gross says:
“He went on to give some examples – taken out of context – of shooting incidents, and of Palestinian poverty he had witnessed in what he called the “large prison” of Gaza. He wrote of the “endless humiliating queues waiting to pass through Israeli army checkpoints.” There was no mention of our very different experience crossing into the “occupied West Bank.” “

“About the same time that Rusbridger published his Spectator article, he wrote a massive editorial in The Guardian, running to well over 2,000 words, entitled “Between Heaven and Hell.” A pull quote was reproduced in large type in a box on The Guardian’s front page. It read:“We are forced to confront some uncomfortable truths about how the dream of a sanctuary for the Jewish people in the very land in which their spiritual, religious and political identity was shaped has come to be poisoned. The establishment of this sanctuary has been bought at a very high cost in human rights and human lives. It must be apparent that the international community cannot support this cost indefinitely.”

Why? why would these people abuse their position in order to propagate their antisemitic agenda?
Since this blog is principally about the BBC, here is the whole of Tom Gross’s BBC related section. It was written in 2001, 14 years ago. Nothing much has changed.

 THE BALANCED BBC?A good deal of the selective reporting derives from the fact that both the print and broadcast media rely heavily on Associated Press and Reuters to provide the text, photos and film footage from the West Bank and Gaza. In turn, the news agencies are heavily dependent on a whole network of Palestinian stringers, freelancers and fixers all over the territories to provide instant reports or footage of events. 
 As Ehud Ya’ari, Israel television’s foremost expert on Palestinian affairs, put it recently: “The vast majority of information of every type coming out of the area is being filtered through Palestinian eyes. Cameras are angled to show a tainted view of the Israeli army’s actions and never focus on the Palestinian gunmen. Written reports focus on the Palestinian version of events. And even those Palestinians who don’t support the Intifada dare not show or describe anything embarrassing to the Palestinian Authority, for fear they may provoke the wrath of Yasser Arafat’s security forces.”
Sometimes the local Palestinians admit their bias. For example, Fayad Abu Shamala, the BBC’s Gaza correspondent for the past ten years, told a Hamas rally on May 6 that “journalists and media organizations [are] waging the campaign shoulder-to-shoulder together with the Palestinian people.” Yet no British paper (apart from the local Anglo-Jewish press) agreed to publicize these remarks. The best the BBC could do in response to requests from Israel that they distance themselves from these remarks, was to issue a statement saying, “Fayad’s remarks were made in a private capacity. His reports have always matched the best standards of balance required by the BBC.” 

The principal reason for the bias, however, is that many western correspondents sent to cover the Middle East are not in effect living in Israel, but in occupied Palestine, as they perceive it. Whereas many pride themselves on knowing some Arabic, few make any effort to learn Hebrew. As a result, they are detached from Israeli life. Their encounters with Israelis are mainly with government and army spokespeople, or other kinds of bureaucrats – being asked irritating questions at airports, being kept in line renewing visas, and so on.
The fault here ultimately lies with the bureaus themselves. Most would not send correspondents to Paris without French, or to Cairo without Arabic, or to Moscow without Russian. Even in Prague, where I worked for three years, the foreign reporters all spent many months learning Czech. 

Occasionally, the media has responded in print to Jewish concerns over Western media reporting. They have not been sympathetic. David Leigh, the Guardian’s comment editor (in an article headlined “Media Manipulators,”) dismissed Jews who had criticized the paper’s Israel coverage as “right-wing extremists.” Another Guardian columnist wrote that at least some of the protests were “sinister” and directed by “a shadowy ultra-orthodox Jewish group.” 

A senior figure in the British media (a Jew) told me: “When Indians and Pakistanis in Britain have raised complaints about reporting in our newspaper, their concerns were treated with some respect, and often they received an apology. But when Jews complained, they were shrugged off or treated with contempt for even suggesting bias. England seems to be a country where to accuse somebody of anti-Semitism is far more impolite than being one.”
Again, when the deputy director of Israel’s foreign ministry said that the BBC’s coverage of Israel is “tinged with anti-Semitism,” BBC special correspondent Fergal Keane said this was a “contemptible” and “ludicrous” charge.”

The Guardian is under new management, the BBC is under scrutiny, Jeremy Paxman has left Newsnight, but Jeremy Bowen is still in post, the new Guardian editor is even more anti-Israel than Rusbridger and Islamic State is chopping people up. Obama has made an unforced error by entering into a deal which weakens the west and has caused the Iranian Ayatollahs much mirth, which they’ve Tweeted about triumphantly. Everyone under a certain age is going to vote for Jeremy Corbyn for leader of the Labour Party, and they neither know nor care which Islamic extremists he’s friendly with.  


Tom Gross ends his article by asking   DOES IT MATTER?Does the bias, in the end, matter? In my view, it does, and not just because the truth is always important.
For one thing, it is clear that inaccurate reporting is influencing international diplomatic efforts. A distorted picture of events is helping to produce correspondingly distorted policies, particularly in Europe.
Then, as Shimon Peres pointed out recently, there are cases where media bias bears a direct responsibility for encouraging acts of violence. Peres cited the example of a local Fatah leader caught by an Israeli army camera saying, “Don’t start the stoning yet. I have just been told that CNN crew is stuck in traffic near Ramallah.”
In addition, as Jewish organizations in Europe and beyond can confirm, there is a clear link between inflammatory reporting about Israel and physical attacks on Jews and Jewish institutions in the countries where the reports are published or broadcast. Correspondents may not realize it, but their unfair reporting plays into pre-existing anti-Semitic feelings.

Emphasis added.
The systematic building up a false picture of Israel as aggressor, and deliberate killer of babies and children, is helping to slowly chip away at Israel’s legitimacy. How can ordinary people elsewhere not end up hating such a country? And contrary to the perceptions of some, Israel is not a big tough major power that can withstand such international antagonism indefinitely. As the Jews have learnt only too well, acts of wholesale destruction and ultimately genocide did not just spring forth in a vacuum: they were the product of a climate. The international media is not an innocent bystander in this affair.

Sunday, 13 April 2014

Super dioceses, modern slavery, Catholic matters, art, COPEC, Trojan Horse, has Christianity lost its way?, Feminism and Orthodox Judaism & party politics on 'Sunday'


Good morning. Here's this week's review on Radio 4's hip 'n' happening Sunday.


1. A new Anglican dioceseNick Baines, first Bishop of the new "super-diocese" of West Yorkshire and the Dales talks to Ed Stourton about his vision and mission for the future.

Sunday's favourite bishop (if his number of appearances is anything to go by), the Rt Revd Nick Baines, the present Bishop of Bradford, is about to become the Bishop of Leeds because of the creation of a new diocese - the first for 80 years. Regular listeners to Sunday have been hearing about the row over this re-organisation for a good couple of years now, but the row is now over and the new diocese is about to be born.



The new diocese, the Diocese of Leeds, will include four cities - Ripon, Wakefield, Bradford and Leeds - as well as huge swathes of the Yorkshire countryside.

Bishop Nick wasn't best pleased with what he'd just been hearing on the news from the BBC's religious affairs correspondent Robert Pigott, saying it's wrong to say it's all about saving money (as Robert Pigott must have done) and that no matter how many times you say it's not about saving money reporters (like Robert Pigott) will keep repeating that it is! He says the new 'super-diocese' was created to "relate better to the region", to "get the benefit of scale" and the "benefit of the local".

Edward Stourton raised the mix of urban & rural, "the very poor and the very rich" and also asked him (in a sad voice) about the closure of a coalmine in the area.


2. Vatican conference on human trafficking

This is a major campaigning issue for Sunday, and they cover the story on a regular basis

Cardinal Nichols, the Pope and the Metropolitan Police chief were in Rome this week discussing "the modern slave trade". The BBC's David Willey reported from there.

We heard stories from three women - one Czech, one Hungarian, one Chilean - who had been trafficked to Britain before being rescued by a Catholic charity. Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said that the Met is already working closely with the Catholic Bishops' Conference and Catholic charities. Only 1% of those trafficked come forward for help though, noted David Willey. 80% are believed to be involved in prostitution.

It was mentioned in passing that Theresa May was there too, but her involvement or views on the matter didn't seem to be of much interest to Sunday.


3. Catholic matters


David Willey then came on the line to talk directly to Ed Stourton about two new Catholic stories. Catholic stories are of prime importance for Sunday and its Catholic host. It's quite astonishing, when you think about it, how much time - week in and week out - Sunday actually devotes to Catholic matters. You might take it for the broadcast version of The Tablet.

The two stories concerned (1) priestly abuse and (2) the role of women in the Catholic Church.

On the former, Pope Francis has given what Edward called a "very powerful apology" over priestly abuse to a French NGO . David, describing him as  "a very smart person", speculated that he adds words to his speeches as the Vatican's speechwriters fail to word them strongly enough.

On the latter, a British sociologist, Margaret Archer, has been appointed to a position in the Vatican. David Willey said it was "wishful thinking" though to expect a woman to be appointed to a senior Vatican department.


4. ArtSculptor Joseph Hillier talks to Ed Stourton as he puts the finishing touches to his re-interpretation of the '12th Station of the Cross', destined for a shipping container in South Shields, as part of the BBC's 'Great North Passion'.

This was a catch-up with someone they'd spoken to at the start of Lent, and another plug for a forthcoming BBC event.

Joseph Hillier says he's crated a figure lying on its side, made of steel, with sunlight coming through it. "It's almost like the contours of a map", "very industrial looking", "very digitally made", he said. He remains "not a believing Christian."



5. Christian social actionFrank Field reflects on the 90th Anniversary of what many regard as the greatest conference on social, political and economic questions in the history of British Christianity

Labour MP Frank Field (another Sunday favourite) discussed the establishment of the Conference on Christian Politics, Economics and Citizenship (COPEC) in 1924 by Bishop (Later Archbishop of Canterbury) William Temple. COPEC came about, Mr Field said, as a result of a 70 years build-up of Christian social concern, something Mr Field says continues today in response to hunger, with churches being behind  food banks. Ed Stourton said 1924 was when the Anglican church came out of its "sleepy rectories" and "really engaged with the reality of life in 20th Century Britain". Frank Field admired its spirit and sweep, saying that through William Temple, it led to the creation of the welfare state. Its importance was  that it helped set the debate, he said. Now, the Church is blown by the wind of other forces, making very precise statements on specific things (like pay day loans) but not making powerful God-driven arguments for action.


6. Trojan HorseA Muslim-majority academy in Birmingham has been at the centre of a row over alleged Islamic fundamentalism. Ed Stourton speaks to the school Governor who claims the school has been the victim of a "witch hunt" and Liam Byrne MP who raised concerns about the school with Michael Gove. Plus analysis from BBC Midland's Correspondent Phil Mackie.

Well, the BBC is continuing to cover this story, which is good, but Sunday's coverage here was much less open about the specific allegations being made against hardline Muslim cliques in Birmingham. Unlike on Today, these were rather danced around here.

Phil Mackie outlined the story first - the claim that people with "ultra-orthodox Islamic views" are conspiring to take over schools in Birmingham and Islamise them. He said there's a "febrile atmosphere" there, with large numbers of people coming forward to express their concerns to Birmingham City Council. He didn't go into much detail about the specific allegations though. 


Edward Stourton then interviewed David Hughes, an Anglican governor at the school, Park View Academy. At least Ed did [gently] tackle him over some of the issues, if only to allow Mr Hughes to dismiss them and denounce the whole investigation as a "witch hunt". Ed says Mr Hughes "takes a dim view of the allegations". He said there's no conspiracy, that boys and girls are seated separately "by choice", that it's untrue that Christmas isn't celebrated or that Arabic has been made compulsory. He claimed the former teachers who complained left under a cloud, and may have had another agenda. He criticised the school's anonymous whistleblowers. Ed invited him to restate his claim that it's a "witch hunt", which he did, saying "the Establishment" are hunting them.

Next came Labour MP Liam Byrne. He began by saying there were "errors" in Phil Mackie's commentary [prompting the usual panicked clucking from Ed!], though beyond saying that describing the atmosphere in Birmingham as "febrile" was "provocative" and "wrong", Mr Byrne didn't spell out Phil's  other "errors" though. Liam Byrne also skirted around the allegations at the heart of the story, but he did say that the serious allegations by former and current members of staff shouldn't be ignored and that literally hundreds of such allegations have now been made. He attacked Ofsted's "gracial" investigations, the damaging leaks, thee uncertainty and the "media circus". He wants a joint advisor-led review. He also attacked Michael Gove. [Does Michael Gove listen to Sunday? He keeps getting attacked on it!]

Ed then invited Phil Mackie back to defend himself, not that he seemed to have much to defend given Liam Byrne's vagueness. He cited three direct messages from anonymous teachers, one saying 'I'm scared', the second saying 'I can't talk & you're only getting one side of  the story' and the third saying 'it's a nightmare'. He said they are "quite high-ranking" teachers.

A Department of Education statement was then read out denying Mr Hughes's claim of a witch hunt.

All in all, remarkably vague coverage of the story. Sunday just cannot help treading very gingerly over issues like this. 


7. Has Christianity lost its way?: Has Christianity lost its way in the East End of London? Trevor Barnes investigates claims by London Imam Ajmal Masroor that Christianity is becoming obsolete there.

And talking about Muslims...


Imam Ajmal Masroor wrote a piece for the London Evening Standard saying that Christianity is being irrelevant in the East End of London. He puts that down to Christianity's failure to offer a clear, coherent message about God and man's relationship with God, unlike Islam. He cites mosque attendance in London as evidence that Islam is replacing Christianity. 

Trevor Barnes's report interviewed various people who disagree with the imam. We heard from Denise Bentley, from the Tower Hamlets food bank. She says the church is very relevant, saving people from suicide - people like Jackie, an East Ender, who says she's got lots of bills, has come to the food bank and says everyone's "really nice", and the daughter of a Sri Lankan immigrant who says they just have bread at home. The Bishop of Stepney also says the imam is wrong, that the church is growing by 14% in his area and is busy working below the radar. Rev. Alan Green of the Interfaith Forum also disagrees with him saying that Christianity is about "being confident about our doubts, being confident about our questions". Then the director of the East London Mosque said he is "cautious" about reading too much into mosque attendance, praising the church's involvement in social work and saying that Muslims aren't doing enough in that respect.

Doubt and social work then: The winning Christian formula. Typical Sunday!


8. Feminism and Orthodox JudaismFollowing the reversal of a bid to give women a greater role during services in a Synagogue Ed Stourton debates gender, faith and Orthodox Judaism with Dina Brawer and Rabbi Alan Plancey.

This was a debate between Dina Brawer of the Jewish Orthodox Feminist Alliance and Rabbi Alan Plancey, representing contrasting points of view on the role of women within Orthodox Judaism. It was a balanced discussion, though Edward Stourton - as so often when such issues arise - didn't entirely hide his own sympathies, interrupting and expressing his own confusion about Rabbi Plancey's remarks and encouraging Dina Brawer. Typical Sunday!


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Incidentally, I made one of those unsubstantiated assertions that bloggers like me must guard against a couple of weeks ago, when I wrote:
It's rare that you get a Conservative MP on Sunday - it's usually Labour or Liberal Democrat MPs who appear on the programme.
Just looking back though over this year's editions of the programme, that assertion can be backed up. Here's a list of all the politicians who have appeared on Sunday so far this year:
13/4 Liam Byrne, Labour; Frank Field, Labour
30/3 Conor Burns, Con
16/3 Stephen Lloyd, LD; Hazel Blears, Labour; Lord Griffiths, Labour
2/3 Stephen Lloyd, LD
23/2 Mary Honeyball, Labour; John Battle, Labour
9/2 Nick Clegg, LD
2/2 Sarah Teather, LD
19/1 Simon Hughes, LD; Sir Edward Leigh, Con
12/1 David Blunkett, Lab
5/1 Liam Fox, Con
That produces the following totals:
Labour = 7
Liberal Democrats = 5
Conservatives = 3
Of course, that's still a majority for the governing parties. It's also a left-right ratio of 12:3.