Saturday, 14 September 2019

Offence to some




As the Sun's Tom Newton Dunn put it yesterday: 
BBC Breakfast presenter and conference compere Steph McGovern sticks one on the PM after he leaves the stage: “I'd just like to point out, I am a girly swot and I’m proud of it. Let’s see who’s in the job the longest”.
Steph (whose birthname is Stephanie) has now, as is the way of such things, apologised for her joke. Or, at least, half-apologised (as is also the way of such things):
At a non BBC event I was hosting today, I made a light hearted remark after the Prime Minister’s speech. Sorry that this caused offence to some. That was absolutely not my intention.
Opinion has split is the usual sharp way over the story, but I'll quote recently-departed (from the BBC) Giles Dilnot on the matter and end there:
Lots of people loving Steph McGovern's witty burn on the PM and frankly it was a good line, lots of people less impressed. Actually in the end it doesn’t matter what she said or what we think: in her job, like when I had the same, you can’t, you just can’t. Still a good line tho. 😏  
She’s great. Really good broadcaster and sharp, but you can’t do that stuff as a BBC presenter in news and she is in news. 

Spectacles


Talking of Andrew Neil, The Spectator has a couple of fine pieces about BBC bias, albeit by the usual suspects - Mr Liddle and Mr Delingpole. 

Rod's piece concentrates on the BBC's deep-seated bias towards social liberalism as reflected in its many outlets (from Today to the Victoria Derbyshire show) firing on all cylinders after Mrs May's resignation honours list included Geoffrey Boycott, who was once convicted of assaulting his girlfriend. Why did the BBC go heavily on that when they could have majored on the stinking "cronyism" of many of Mrs May's other choices - most of her former senior aides and advisers, plus Conservative donors - and the reek of hypocrisy and corruption they might be said to reveal so clearly? Now, I must say that I think the BBC could have concentrated on both stories, but Rod - from my researches - is right that it was the abusive cricketer who dominated the corporation's field of vision. 

James's piece looks at a couple of BBC documentaries and finds them guilty of bias - The Rise of the Nazis and Conspiracy Files: The Billionaire Global Mastermind? 

Except for watching the Ask Sarkar bits (which I ferreted out like truffles and which I agree with James turned out to be "harmless to the point of irrelevance"), The Rise of the Nazis isn't a series I've watched (yet). Of it he writes: 
Back in the day, the BBC might have been content to strive for an objective take on the subject, perhaps with a voiceover by Samuel West and lots of period footage. But the danger of that approach, the BBC has since realised, is that it runs the risk of viewers making up their own minds what to think. Some of them might not be aware, for example, of the obvious parallels between Hitler, Nigel Farage, Donald Trump, Brexit and, to a lesser extent, Michael Gove. 
But I did watch the George Soros programme (you'll doubtless be pleased to hear). It was a straightforward debunking exercise aimed at right-wing conspiracy theorists which focused mainly on the loudest, nastiest figures of the fringe and the wilder, nastier conspiracy theories. But the relentlessness of its defence of Mr Soros struck many online commenters as constituting a whitewash. It also left me deeply uneasy on that count. Is every accusation false? Has he done nothing wrong? Is he such a good guy? Is everyone accusing him bad?

Here, for example, is the programme's (very) brief take on his campaign to prevent Brexit:
George Soros has made no secret of his views on Brexit, publicly contributing £1.7 million to the Remain campaign. Now, talk of a secret Soros plot is spreading to the UK.
This was followed by a clip of Nigel Farage sounding like a conspiracy theorist. 

And that was that. 

A lot more detail on what he has done - e.g. his £400,000 to find Gina Miller & Co. since the referendum - wouldn't have gone amiss. And what is the role (if any) of his Open Society foundation in, say, funding OpenDemocracy in the UK, with the latter's admitted links to the likes of Carole Cadwalladr

Anyhow, here's James's less charitable take on the programme:

But the documentary it did on George Soros — Conspiracy Files: The Billionaire Global Mastermind? (BBC2, Sunday) — was worse, much worse. Soros is an intriguing and influential character, well worth a detailed investigation. Apart from the time he famously broke the Bank of England in 1992 when he caused sterling to crash out of the European Exchange Rate Mechanism, there’s the vexed issue of what the BBC calls his ‘philanthropy’, but which some of us might consider more akin to bankrolling the destruction of Western civilisation. 

Soros has given away $32 billion to ‘liberal’ causes, ranging from his promotion of the global-warming scare to his campaigning for open borders which involves hefty donations to a number of unsavoury and sometimes violent hard-left activist groups. The documentary’s considered take on all this: Soros gives generously to ‘education, health, human rights and democracy projects’. People who think it’s any more sinister than that are mainly tattooed, racist, far-right conspiracy theorists — and Trump fans, if there’s any difference — whose hatred stems mainly from the fact that Soros is Jewish. I think it’s time the BBC gave up trying to pretend it’s a voice of impartial authority, don’t you?

Don't you? 

Brilloiant


Andrew Neil, who it turned out was departing the BBC after all, is still bringing his 'unusual for the BBC' wit and wisdom to Twitter. Here's a recent couple of gems:


Thursday, 12 September 2019

This polarised world



I intended to listen to James Harding’s  “Impartial Journalism in a Polarised World’ on Radio 4 this morning at 9am, and for once I remembered to do so - (not that it really matters when there’s iPlayer) but listening to an ear-marked programme in real-time is always best. Here’s the blurb: 
“Polarised politics, cacophanous culture wars and the advent of unchecked, unchallenged news at the click of a button. Can impartial journalism win out in a world of alternative facts and the re-tweet echo chamber of Twitter? If it doesn't, what becomes of democracy? 
When radio arrived, it gave politicians the means of mass propaganda. Television brought us the politics of the soundbite and the twenty-four hour news cycle. But the digital age - unmediated opinion, unchecked sources - has put old-fashioned, impartial news itself under the spotlight. Are we - the BBC and others - any longer believed? Are we trusted? And what happens when we aren't? Do democracy and digital sit comfortably together or is one currently winning at the expense of the other? 
James Harding was editor of The Times and then took the helm at BBC News. After 2016, the Brexit referendum and the election of Donald Trump, he started to think that a different approach was needed, focused on slow news and opening up journalism. He set up Tortoise. In this noisy discussion, James and other journalists grapple with all of these matters, and attempt to navigate a digital future without losing our democratic past. 
He's joined by the political editor of ITN, Robert Peston; staff writer on The Atlantic, Helen Lewis; presenter of BBC Radio 4's The World this Weekend, Mark Mardell; Talk Radio host, Julia Hartley-Brewer; and Gavin Haynes, editor-at-large of Vice UK.

I enjoyed listening but I didn’t think any ground-breaking revelations were made.

Helen Lewis talks at break-neck speed, doesn’t she? She has an impressive ‘radio voice’ though. She made her mark as one of the regular news reviewers alongside Nick Watt on the BBC’s ‘Sunday Politics’ in its Andrew Neill era. Ms Lewis obligingly toned down her political bias a little then, but now, no longer constrained by the BBC remit, she’s an out-and-proud leftie and for all her bright, articulate and knowledgeable manner she can't conceal the limitations of bubble-dwelling. Maybe she can’t see it herself, but why should she? 

Also present were Mark Mardell and Robert Peston.  I want to like Robert Peston, but I can’t. His delivery is tailored to irritate us. You can almost accept the erratic pacing, but it’s that “That” of his that bothers me. It goes something like: “eh-ththutt”; a retch. Perhaps he’s overcoming a stammer. (?)

Where were we? Oh yes, Julia Hartley-Brewer, another hyper-fast-talker. She brought a little counterbalance to the consensus, but I felt she was holding back. 

The other participant was the chap from the edgy media outlet, Vice UK,  Gavin Haynes.   He broke a tacit BBC taboo by bringing Paul Joseph Watson, Carl Benjamin and ‘Count Dankula' into the mix. But for Gavin Haynes, I don’t believe anyone would have mentioned those hitherto unmentionable characters by name, let alone admitted that they might bear some relevance to ’journalism’, at any rate to the ‘polarised world’ compartment of it. (Apparently, Benjamin calls himself a social commentator, not a journalist.)

The discussion covered (pure) impartiality versus ‘due impartiality’ - ITBB has been over this many times, but briefly it (the ‘due’ bit) necessitates making a value judgement somewhere along the line, which Robert Peston called “evaluating”, meaning being sensible enough not to give equal weight to an ‘expert’ and a ‘nutter”. The BBC must be trusted to decide which is which. This leads us gently towards the knotty question of ‘no-platforming’.

Confirmation bias and the echo-chamber phenomenon were alluded to. “People rarely come into contact with arguments they disagree with,” said someone and it’s hard to argue with that. Mingling with the like-minded is reassuring, and comfort zones are just that. Places where you feel comfortable. Stumbling into a hostile environment is exhausting, especially when their default ‘truth’ hangs on a very shoogly peg. People on one side will say  “but you won’t even listen to the other side of the argument” which is precisely what the opposite side is thinking about them. (As Helen Lewis and Julia Hartley-Brewer demonstrate midway through the programme) 

The entire panel, including Julia H-B, was dismissive of Tommy Robinson following a short audio clip of him talking about the media’s lack of support of him as “a political prisoner“. They also played clips from that infamously curtailed interview between Andrew Neil and Ben Shapiro, and Emily Maitlis’s interview with Steve Bannon.  ‘Stranded’ and taken out of context, I thought these examples  - particularly the unrepresentative Ben Shapiro one  - were unhelpful. 

Helen Lewis described Tommy Robinson as having made ‘a whole career out of saying he’d been silenced’ and Mark Mardell called him “a peripheral figure with very little support”.

Julia H-B accused Mark Mardell and the BBC of “creating Tommy Robinson’ because they’d constructed a verbal ‘forbidden territory’ consensus around immigration, while she too skated around the aforementioned ‘forbidden territory’ with some carefully chosen language of her own.

Since much of the media’s bias and a considerable amount of actual news in this polarised world of ours concerns incidents and issues emanating from ‘Islam’, it is significant that the word itself wasn’t uttered at all.  This alone suggests that tiptoeing around this issue indicates that ‘due impartiality’ is as far away from achievability now as it ever was.

Wednesday, 11 September 2019

Can anyone now take the Labour Party seriously?


Just catching up…….. things have already moved on….. but:



There are several versions of this speech on YouTube, but this one includes the opening passage,  where Ian Austin is interrupted - “barracked” - by gurning Labour MPs shouting insults like “You’re not welcome here” from a sedentary position. The Speaker, at his most pompous, tolerates this disruptive behaviour as it rises almost to the point of obliterating the speech. 

I wonder how Louise Ellman feels, sitting in the row just in front. Barry Gardiner smirks and ostentatiously stifles a yawn as he sits beside Jeremy Corbyn.

There are other notable YouTube clips from this fiery session, particularly a speech by Ivan Lewis who is wearing a kippah.

The BBC has taken a mild interest in Ian Austin’s battle against antisemitism in the Labour Party, but the flurry on 22nd February seems to be it.  

Labour MPs are about to cause chaos  The Labour Party. Can anyone take it seriously? 

Sunday, 8 September 2019

September Open Thread



September and time for a middle-aged open thread.

The Thoughts of John Simpson


Here's a selection from BBC World Affairs Editor John Simpson's Twitter feed this week. Enjoy!:

  • 80 years ago today my dear friend Clare Hollingsworth, on her first real story for the Daily Telegraph, sat in her hotel room & watched the German tanks crossing into Poland — & neither her boss, nor her foreign desk, nor the British (or any other) embassy would believe her.
  • Went through the rite-of-passage experience this morning of delivering my son for the first day at his new secondary school & have been feeling thoroughly melancholic ever since.
  • I’ve reported on ten consecutive British prime ministers. None of the other nine made anything like as bad a start as Boris Johnson has. Margaret Thatcher, whom I came to know well, would I’m certain have been furious at his performance.
  • Broadcasting all morning about Robert Mugabe. Having visited Matabeleland after his forces, backed up by the North Korean army, murdered 20,000 of his political opponents, and spent time 11 years ago reporting on the collapsing economy, I find it hard to be too positive. Just found in my notes that in November 2008 the year-on-year inflation rate in Robert Mugabe’s Zimbabwe was a shade under 90 sextillion per cent. Soon afterwards his wife Grace beat up a British photographer who snapped her buying expensive jewellery in Hong Kong.
  • No wonder the Afghan govt feels it’s being abandoned by Pres Trump & the US - he now reveals he was planning to meet the Taliban! They must think they’ve got America on the run.
  • Heading off to Iraq for a couple of weeks’ reporting. I’ll get away from political extremism, threats against decent moderate politicians, anxieties that the govt will break the law, & a sense of despair about the direction the country is heading in. Yes, Iraq will be a doddle.

The BBC teaches


The BBC has told teachers who work with children aged 9-12 that there are “100, if not more” gender identities. 
Children are seeking in record numbers to change their gender because they feel they were born in the wrong body, and the advice has sparked concerns that it could fuel confusion. 
The claim appears in a series of nine films created by BBC Teach to support the personal, social and health education (PSHE) curriculum in schools.  
In one question-and-answer session a young boy asks: “What are the different gender identities?” He is then praised by a head teacher for asking a “really, really exciting question”. 
The film cuts to a PSHE teacher called Kate Daniels, who explains to two other young children: “We know that we have got male and female, but there are over 100, if not more, gender identities now.”
She goes on to explain that some people are “bi-gender” and feel that they are two genders at once. “And then you’ve got some people who might call themselves gender-queer, who are just like: ‘I don’t really want to be anything in particular. I am just going to be me.’” 

"Today hasn’t taken a collective decision on this, it’s my personal policy"


Like all broadcasters, [Nick] Robinson receives non-stop flak for bias. Twitter loves reminding us that in 1987 he was briefly chairman of the National Young Conservatives. Less reported is the fact that Labour approached him (unsuccessfully) to become Ed Miliband’s spin doctor. His friends and family also give him grief if they feel their views have not received sufficient airtime. 
"Like everyone, they’re feeling rage and anger; passions are higher than they’ve ever been. I get a lot of, ‘Why didn’t you ask this?’ ” For that reason, he’s started actively trying to reveal the show’s mechanisms to listeners, this week pointing out that the government was unable to field anyone to defend its withdrawing the whip from rebel Tory MPs. “If you’re ranting about why the other point of view has been forgotten, I want to be able say, ‘It will be on in an hour’ or the reason you will not be hearing a minister defend this is because they chose not to put up a candidate. Today hasn’t taken a collective decision on this, it’s my personal policy.”

Saturday, 7 September 2019

Master of all he surveys


So:



Comments most certainly could be going better under that tweet, as hordes descend to mention black pots and kettles and to accuse the BBC of being one of the biggest purveyors of fake news out there. 


A new industry collaboration to tackle dangerous misinformation was announced by the BBC and partners today. 
Major news and tech organisations will work together to protect their audiences and users from disinformation, particularly around moments of jeopardy, including elections. 
Earlier this summer the BBC convened a Trusted News Summit, bringing together senior figures from major global technology firms and publishing. Recent events such as the Indian elections have highlighted the dangers of disinformation and the risks it poses to democracy, and have underlined the importance of working together around shared principles. 
The BBC’s partners who attended the summit are The European Broadcasting Union (EBU), Facebook, Financial Times, First Draft, Google, The Hindu, and The Wall Street Journal. Other partners are AFP, CBC/Radio Canada, Microsoft, Reuters, and The Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism, and we are also consulting Twitter on areas of potential collaboration. 
Tony Hall, Director-General of the BBC and EBU President, says: “Disinformation and so-called fake news is a threat to us all. At its worst, it can present a serious threat to democracy and even to people’s lives. 
“This summit has shown a determination to take collective action to fight this problem and we have agreed some crucial steps towards this.” 
The summit agreed to work collectively, where appropriate, to agree collaborative actions on various initiatives. The group will publish details of its commitments on these areas at a later date, following consultation. Initiatives include:  
  • Early Warning System: creating a system so organisations can alert each other rapidly when they discover disinformation which threatens human life or disrupts democracy during elections. The emphasis will be on moving quickly and collectively to undermine disinformation before it can take hold   
  • Media Education: a joint online media education campaign to support and promote media education messages 
  • Voter Information: co-operation on civic information around elections, so there is a common way to explain how and where to vote 
  • Shared learning: particularly around high-profile elections
Everyone involved is committed to ensuring the collaboration is a success. That means it must work in practice as well as in theory. To ensure the approach works and is fast and responsive, we will be conducting “fire drill” tests before we roll out the agreed actions.

Incidentally, until reading this I never knew that Lord Hall also now acts as President of the European Broadcasting Union. It's a two-year job he took up in January this year. 

He's a busy man, isn't he? Not just running the BBC, but the EBU too!

Butt of the joke


As Arthur T notes on the open thread, there's a BBC News website article headlined Why we need internet jokes and memes more than ever that makes Jacob Rees-Mogg the butt of all but one of the jokes. And the exception is a joke about Brexit supporters in general. 

Why not feature a range of targets for recent internet jokes or memes, especially if you're meant to be seen as an impartial news source? 

As Monkey Brains notes, the latest retweet from the BBC reporter responsible, Will Chalk (whose name sounds like the personal motto of a fine old-fashioned schoolteacher), is from present-day BBC favourite Ash ("literally a communist") Sarkar, mocking Boris Johnson. And if you scroll on, it's one of several retweets from the BBC's William of our Ash. He also retweeted her saying, "I don’t think 7% of the country should produce 84% of British Prime Ministers. That’s why I’m backing the campaign to integrate fee-paying schools into the state system. #AbolishEton" and also a retweet mocking swimmer Sharron Davies for noting the importance of male-female relationships in the survival of our species.

Now, of course, it may be wrong to impute bias to him from this. Maybe, his inclinations are more romantic in nature - perhaps, ironically, in a Sharron Davies male-female kind of way?

Why is billionaire George Soros a object of sympathy for the BBC?


The BBC seems to relish acting as St. George towards poor George Soros, with Mr Soros in the role of cruelly-used Princess and "the hard-right" as the nasty Dragon. 

This weekend they are riding out, lances aloft, with a BBC News website article headlined Why is billionaire George Soros a bogeyman for the hard right? and an accompanying BBC Two programme tomorrow night titled Conspiracy Files: The Billionaire Global Mastermind? 

The blurb for the latter runs as follows:
How billionaire George Soros has become a bogeyman around the world. Are allegations of secret Soros plots to overthrow governments and flood countries with migrants simply a product of anti-Semitism?
A taster clip for the programme - seen here - makes the programme's likely 'take' very clear. Its line will be that Mr Soros's accusers are "conspiracy theorists", that their "conspiracies theories" are underpinned by antisemitism, and that such "conspiracy theories" have "deadly consequences". 

The website article by the BBC's Mike Rudin is chockablock with defenders of Mr Soros and lays out the case against his accusers with single-minded purpose. 

Wonder if George Soros will be tuning in?

Tuesday, 3 September 2019

Ash Sarkar again


Bruce Lawson (modern day follower of Montaigne)Someone very senior at the BBC recently said the whole corporation has become obsessed with diversity quotas. That’s the only charitable reason I can think of as to why BBC Two decided to have anti-Semite Ash Sarkar, a non-expert and non-historian on a Holocaust programme.
Tracy Ann Oberman (actress): Dear Patrick Holland, BBC2, as someone who lost family during The Rise of The Nazis I am deeply disturbed that of all knowledgable experts/historians, you use Ash Sarkar, a woman who endorsed the spray painting of the remaining Watsaw Ghetto wall - an open grave for our families. Why? Her friend Ewa spray painted FreeGaza on my family's grave. They died for being Jewish long before Israel even was a thought of existence. Ash Sarkar is not a Holocaust historian or expert. She is a Momentum Propagandist. Why have her on as an expert voice? So upsetting. BBC Two, Patrick Holland, rethink your ‘experts’ please. Too much insensitivity and lack of diligence on this.
Euan Phillips (Labour Against AS): What the hell are BBC Two doing making a programme called ‘Rise of the Nazis’ and featuring Ash Sarkar, who supported the desecration of the Warsaw Ghetto and opposes the IHRA definition of antisemitism? How tone deaf/insulting/outright racist are you?? 

Yes. This isn't another (albeit sick) joke about the ubiquity of Ash Sarkar ("literally a communist") on the BBC.

She really is an expert 'talking head' in the major new three-part BBC Two series The Rise of the Nazis.

Even by the standards of the present-day BBC, that's truly extraordinary, isn't it?

Points of View



David Lammy MP: Boris Johnson plans to suspend democracy and his ministers refuse to say whether they continue to support the rule of law. Meanwhile @BBCPolitics reports on the PM's new dog. At this time of national crisis we deserve journalism not public relations. Spectacularly pathetic. 
Matt Wells (CNN): Oh for god’s sake. The BBC gave extensive and ample coverage to the substantive developments today. Anyone who suggests otherwise clearly hasn’t been following its output. 
Andrew Neil (BBC): Spot on Matt. Mr Lammy has an agenda that doesn’t involve facts. Quite Trumpian really.

Sunday, 1 September 2019

Normal business resumes


It's himself

I
"It's like being in a plane, assured by the pilot we're on course for a smooth landing, while the cabin crew warn all the passengers to adopt the brace position"

My wind cooling my broth 
Would blow me to an ague, when I thought 
What harm a wind too great at sea might do. 
I should not see the sandy hour-glass run, 
But I should think of shallows and of flats, 
And see my wealthy Andrew dock'd in sand...


Talking of whom...


Andrew Marr was back this morning and his introduction began as follows:
Good morning and well done for getting up!  
All that energy poor Rob Burley put into explaining why the unpopular move to 10 o'clock for the last series was actually a wonderful, well-thought-out idea, and yet here it was back in it's old spot again!

Andrew then delivered his first September sermon:
Parliament's back this week, briefly, before it's put into cold storage by Boris Johnson's government. He insists he's trying to get a deal with the EU, but he faces sabotage from rebel MPs. Brussels still says there are no signs of a deal. And in the meantime, we are all being told to prepare for no deal in a massive new government campaign, under the headline Get Ready. It's like being in a plane, assured by the pilot we're on course for a smooth landing, while the cabin crew warn all the passengers to adopt the brace position.  
He then introduced his main political guests, pre-announcing his 'gotcha' moment for Mr Gove (which we'll return to later, as Mr Gove tried to 'gotcha' The Andrew Marr Show back!):
I'm going to be talking to Michael Gove, the Cabinet minister in charge of no-deal preparations, who told me earlier in the summer he was against proroguing parliament. And to Sir Keir Starmer, the Shadow Brexit Secretary, who spent all summer planning how to stop no deal, though he hasn't, in truth, much time left now. Two men, perhaps, better placed than anyone else to answer the simple question - what happens now?  
Then came a promise of disinterested experts:
We are going to try to explain and analyse what is going on during this extraordinary political episode. Today, I'm going to be talking to the former Black Rod, David Leakey, and a former clerk in the House of Commons, Hannah White, trying to understand what's possible for Parliament and what isn't. What's outside the Constitution? Is this a coup? Might a no-deal Brexit be stopped in the courts and what the Queen can be reasonably expected to do herself?  
Did you know that David Leakey used to Director General of the European Union Military Staff, reporting to the EU's High Representative (aka foreign minister)? I didn't until I Googled him. Wonder if that helps explain why he sounded rather sniffy about Boris's actions? Or is that too cynical? As for Dr. Hannah White, the expert from the Institute for Government, her views on the matter were known before her invitation to appear (one presumes), given that she's written pieces saying that proroguing Parliament would be "undemocratic" and "deeply troubling", so she came pre-armed with a strong opinion on the matter. 


Experts

Then it was onto the paper reviewers - and we had a less-spotted male of the species on the sofa this morning:
And on the news review, we've got two of Fleet Street's editors, Fraser Nelson from The Spectator and Alison Phillips from the Daily Mirror.  
It was Alison's debut, and she took to it like a drake to water. 

And Andrew's introduction ended with a personal statement:
If, in an hour's time, you don't understand more, then we, but in particular Iwill have failed you rather badly. 
A worthy intention, but I think ITN's famous newsreader Alistair Stewart probably put it best when he tweeted:
Post-'Marr', albeit on catch-up, I am as clear as the re-heated porridge Michael Gove referred to on Brexit, No Deal, Prorogation and a General Election.
Likewise, sir!

*******

II
"a huge amount of anger and outrage right across the country"


My Twitter feed deliberately isn't a bubble but I did get the sense from it that the numbers protesting on the streets yesterday across the country were a good deal smaller than previous such protests, so I was a little surprised by this intervention from Andrew this morning: 
Andrew Marr: Meanwhile, out on the streets, a huge amount of anger and outrage right across the country. Small towns as well as great cities.  
Alison Phillips: Absolutely everywhere. This week, protest as far afield as Leamington spa, Doncaster, Dundee. Extraordinary scenes yesterday and this is not the end of it. There are talks about transport being closed down, towns and cities coming to a halt. Clearly a lot of very angry people.  
Andrew Marr: I spotted a little placard saying "Chichester is cross", and when Chichester is cross we know something extraordinary is happening. 
Really? Or are they "evidence of a twitching corpse"?

Not angry

*******

III
"All across Britain..."

Now. as for that 'falling-out' between Michael Gove and Andrew Marr, here's a transcript:

Andrew Marr: And yet here come the bet you would expect, I suspect, which is what you told me in June. You said in June that proroguing would be absolutely wrong. Let's remind ourselves:
Clip of Michael Gove on the Marr show in June: We are a parliamentary democracy and suspending or, as the constitutional experts call it, proroguing parliament, in order to try to get no deal through I think would be wrong....[clip jumps]... I think it would be wrong for many reasons. I think it would not be true to the best traditions of British democracy. 
All across Britain people agree with Michael Gove in June and disagree and are confused and bamboozled by Michael Gove in September.  
Michael Gove: All across Britain people are wondering why you didn't show the question before that answer... 
Andrew Marr: (interrupting) Well, the question did not mention the 31st of October.  
Michael Gove: No, no, no. The question did actually mention October, because it was in the context of a debate happening during the leadership election. And there was an idea going round at the time which you put to me, which was that Parliament shouldn't sit at all during October, that it shouldn't sit at all before we left on the 31st of October, and I specifically said that I thought that would be wrong. That is not what is happening now. And I think it is critically important that on behalf of, not just of myself, but other politicians who have been misrepresented that...  
Andrew Marr: Oh!!! 
Michael Gove: No... Absolutely, Andrew. Because there was a live debate at the time... 
Andrew Marr: (interrupting) This is a distinction without a difference. You're treating people as fools here. 
Michael Gove: No, there's a huge difference. There's a huge difference, Andrew, and it is disingenuous... 
Andrew Marr: (interrupting) I...I...I...Disengenuous or not. I thought... 
Michael GoveI'm not making a personal point. But it is critical that people realise that there is a big difference. There has to be prorogation before a Queen's speech... 
Andrew Marr: (interrupting) No, but you're moving crucial parliamentary days just before this. I thought...I thought when you said "proroguing parliament in order to try to get no deal through, I think would be wrong", you meant "proroguing parliament in order to get a no deal through would be wrong". I thought you meant what you said.  
Michael Gove: Yes, but you haven't actually revealed what you said beforehand, which was in the context of that leadership debate. And I think it's important because a number of my colleagues have been consistently misrepresented in this respect. 
So, who was being disingenuous here?

Andy and Mike 

Well, here's the programme's own transcript of the relevant bit of the June edition in full:
Andrew Marr: So what do you say to your colleagues who say well there’s an obvious answer to this problem. Don’t let parliament sit in October. Then we get out, parliament can’t stop us getting out, we prorogue. What about that? Dominic Raab suggested that, Esther McVey was saying the same thing on this programme.  
Michael GoveI don’t think that is the right thing to do. I think that we live in a parliamentary democracy. Parliament must vote in order to ensure that we leave the European Union. My view is that almost everyone in parliament voted to trigger Article 50. There are some honourable exceptions like Ken Clarke. When they voted to trigger Article 50 they voted to say that we are leaving the European Union. MPs must honour that referendum result. But we must also respect the fact that we are a parliamentary democracy. And suspending or, as the Constitutional experts call it, proroguing parliament in order to try to get no deal through I think would be wrong. 
Andrew Marr: Do you think it would be wrong because it would drag the Queen into the centre of this controversy?  
Michael Gove: I think it will be wrong for many reasons. I think it would not be true to the best traditions of British democracy. I argued that we should leave the European Union because I wanted us to take back control of our democracy and that means putting parliament at the centre of decision making. I took sacrifices in that campaign, make sacrifices in that campaign in order to secure a restoration of additional powers to parliament and I think it is important that we respect that. 
Hmm. I think Andrew Marr couldn't quite recall the question he'd put back in June and floundered somewhat as a result but reading the transcript it's pretty clear that Mr Gove - despite having a point about the context of the question put to him first there was being somewhat disgenguous given that the points he went on to make in his original answers clearly referred to the idea of prorogation more generally. So he was rather trying to take us for fools there, wasn't he? (How unlike a politician!).

Life beyond the BBC bubble



Twitter isn't all Terry Christian and Owen Jones and John Simpson and Ash Sarkar and Anthony Zurcher. 

Sometimes it's good. 

Here, for example, is a non-BBC-related thread from Laura that started a conversation of the kind you don't often hear on the BBC and which I hope you won't mind me sharing (and please forgive the swearing):


  • 11 years ago I worked in a HMV store and it still remains one of the most surreal employments I’ve ever had. Here are some of the highlights:
  • There was an old man who came in every week asking where the adult DVDs were. Every time you showed him, he’d grab his chest, yelp and pretend to faint, all in a desperate attempt to get one of the female members of staff to give him mouth to mouth.
  • A colleague called in one day to say his mum had died. Rightfully so, they gave him time off with pay so he could grieve. Except one day an angry woman came in demanding to see the manager - it was this guy’s very alive mum asking why they weren’t scheduling her son on the rota.
  • Another bloke got fired because he was stealing money from the til and getting it up to the staff room by hiding it in a ‘keeping up appearances’ box set.
  • On Christmas Eve a man came in at 5pm and asked if we had the new Girls Aloud album. I said we’d literally just sold out. He asked if I could order it in before 7pm that evening. I said no. He kicked down a display unit.
  • Another woman came in and asked if we had High School Musical 3 on DVD. I said it was only on cinema release and wouldn’t be available to buy until next year. She grabbed my collar, pulled my face an inch from hers, looked me dead in the eyes, and said “shitbrain”.
  • One day a bloke came in wearing a pair of sunglasses claiming he was Paul Weller. He asked if he could have a selection of CDs by The Jam for free as he’d misplaced his copies.
  • Another guy came in every week to buy all the new singles in the UK top 40. He was about 85 years old and had been a travelling DJ since the 60s. He hadn’t had any work in years but wanted to purchase all the latest chart hits “just in case”.
  • One bloke got banned because he kept covering his hands in blue paint and touching the CDs to try and get them for a reduced price as they were “damaged”.
  • A man tried to get a refund on a Tom and Jerry boxset because the storylines were “repetitive”
  • One regular customer who looked exactly like the Queen bought The Priests album 4 times. On her fourth purchase I asked why she was getting so many copies.“How do you remember me buying them? Is it because I look like the Queen? Because I get very VERY angry when people say that”.
  • And she did. One day another customer told her she looked like the Queen and she hit him with her handbag.
  • One woman knocked down a shelving unit of Cheryl Cole books and calendars because she said she had “the face of a bitch”.
  • A man threatened legal action when he discovered that instead of a staff member ordering him in Candyman: the horror film, they ordered in the CD single of Candy Man by Christina Aguilera.
  • A woman came in 3 times asking me to check the central ordering database to see if she could buy the book the film Mamma Mia was based on.
  • Channel 5 News came in to film some vox pops about the X Factor but eventually gave up after everyone they spoke to in the store just ended up calling Simon Cowell a wanker.

She clearly struck a chord. Replies a-plenty flowed in, including:

  • I still work for HMV now. My favourite ever request was an old lady asking my if we had any ‘Plastic Dominoes’. After about 10 minutes intensive detective work it turned out she wanted the new ‘Placido Domingo’ album.
  • I worked at a stereo shop and was showing a guy a high end system. When I told him what it cost, he said, “I don’t need all that, I’m not much of a pedophile”. I suggested that the term he might be meaning to use was “audiophile”.
  • Once worked in a Sports Shop in the early noughties where a Xmas temp was sacked for selling a £120 jacket to somebody who paid with fake banknotes that had Scooby Doo on instead of the Queen.
  • These are gold but if you wanna see the dark side of retail I challenge anyone to go work in a SPAR or LONDIS. Then you'll see some serious shit. When I started, my new boss showed me the panic button. He then informed me it didn't work because it was too expensive to get it connected. When I asked what I was supposed to do in case of trouble he showed me a baseball bat. His instructions were "Make sure you pop em hard in the face. Don't swing it or you'll kill 'em". There was also a time when a drunken marital dispute spilled over into the shop. The woman was covered in blue paint, thrown by her husband. She bought two scratchcards and left. Another time a pair of teenagers tried to steal sweets but were terrible at it. One of them tried to walk out of the shop with Blackjacks literally pissing out the bottom of his trouser legs. His mate had hidden an entire, still wrapped, Fry's Turkish Delight inside his mouth.
  • As a teenager I worked in a Woolworths cafe for a couple of years. My ‘fondest’ memory is a guy coming in & wanting beer with his fry up. He kicked off when I told him we couldn’t serve him beer (we didn’t sell it!), punched out the duty manager, then took a shit on the counter.
  • We used to get calls ALL the time asking when XXX was ‘being released’ only to realise, after much checking of the ‘new release’ lists, they thought they’d rung the local prison. Turns out directory enquires couldn't hear the difference between “HMV Preston” and “HMP Preston”.
  • Tower Records Glasgow, someone shat in a carrier bag and left it in the staff area. I'm guessing it was a colleague. Also, someone once asked for the "negro" section. She meant the reggae section.
  • I knew a girl who worked in Jessops and a regular train spotter used to have his photos printed. All the shots were of trains, except the last frame, in each roll which was always a photo of his knob. This went on for years.
  • Didn’t work in a record shop but I did work in pubs. Once a girl came in, tears streaming down her face, picked up a glass ashtray and launched it across the bar at me. Ducked & missed. Smash. Whole bar went quiet. She went “oops, I thought you were somebody else” - oookkkk.
  • I too worked in HMV so I recognise your plight, but my time in WHSmith beat it for me! An old lady punched my manager in the face because the Candle In The Wind single for Diana was sold out.
  • I worked in Virgin Megastores for 2 years and can relate to every single story. We had a man come in claiming to be David Bowie’s brother who wanted Lost Boxsets for free. A woman faked a heart attack when we were closing at 6 on Xmas Eve then tried to buy a wii game.
  • I worked in Virgin Megastore in Cardiff 20+ years ago. A bloke used to come in every Tuesday morning, go upstairs to the porn videos (yes), turn the top row of cases around to see the back, and knock one out underneath his jogging bottoms. All caught on CCTV each week by security, who got front row seats in the CCTV room each week to watch it live. He was never thrown out. It was the security guards’ weekly highlight.The thread also contains jokes:
The thread also contains jokes:
- A man walks into a pet shop and asks for a pet fly. The shopkeeper says, "sorry sir, we don't sell flies". The man insists, "well there's one in the window." 
- A man walks into a pet shop and asks to buy 12 bees. The shopkeeper carefully counts out 13 bees and hands them over. “But I only asked for 12 bees.” “Oh, that last one was a freebie.” 
And If you must have a BBC connection, here's BBC Middle East correspondent Quentin Somerville chipping in:
"For years I worked on the electric shaver counter at Boots, where we would sell cutters and foils that went back to the 60s.The state of some of the razors. I opened one to change its cutter and it was green inside with ancient lumps of mouldy hair. After that they gave us gloves. The razor belonged to the husband of one of my school teachers. As the filthy hair fell out on the counter she emitted a quiet, “sorry”. We then avoided each other’s gaze in school corridors."