It's BBC impartiality James, but not as we know it (though, alas, actually, very much as we know it).
And the interview ended in a way that, regardless of who's being interviewed, always strikes me as unprofessional - i.e. where the interviewer gives himself the final come-back at his interviewee's expense. and then adds a final sneer before giving thanks:
And then it was straight onto anti-Brexit/anti-Trump Anne Applebaum and JO'B introducing her by repeating her 'expert' credentials:
I'm joined now by Anne Applebaum, the foreign affairs expert and columnist for the Washington Post.
The interview was gentle and ended with JO'B saying (of Mrs May and Mr Trump):
Well, hey, they held hands! Anne Applebaum, thank you very much indeed.
And finally came a tag-wrestling match with James O'Brien and Simon 'Drama' Schama on one side and pro-Trump prof Ted Malloch on the other.
Impartial BBC interviewing it wasn't. Typical James O'Brien on Newsnight it was.
For fans of transcriptions, here's one of the final segment:
JAMES O'BRIEN: The historian Simon Schama is here, alongside Ted Malloch, who is widely tipped for a role in the Trump administration - possibly as Ambassador to the European Union. You don't have any news for us, do you Ted, tonight?
TED MALLOCH: Maybe next week.
JAMES O'BRIEN: OK. We'll start with you Simon. You've taken to social media and coined the rhyme 'Theresa the Appeaser'. Anything in today's events to appease your fears?
SIMON SCHAMA: No, not particularly. I did...no...The spectacle of them holding hands, actually, which doesn't in any rational way speak to your question, James, did turn my stomach somewhat actually.
JAMES O'BRIEN: We don't know that it didn't turn hers! But the fear that she is cosying up to a regime that may prove to be, as an historian, may stand comparison with other 20th-century horrors..are you stepping back?
SIMON SCHAMA: No, I think scary authoritarian regimes, not to inaccurately paraphrase Count Leo Tolstoy, are scary and authoritarian each in their own way. I think this is starting to look incredibly scary and authoritarian. Particularly, actually, banning the possibility of the Environmental Protection Agency delivering data to the public. All sorts of things, I think, are serious. But the most worrying part of all, which doesn't speak to the authoritarian issue, but something loopier, is President Trump's contact or lack of contact with reality. Today, he doubled down on this extraordinary assertion that between three million and 5 million illegal immigrant votes were cast. It is absolutely... and this was actually delivered to a reception in which...the first reception he had from Congressional leaders...were treated to an harangue on this entirely fantastic story, which has absolutely no evidence whatsoever.
JAMES O'BRIEN (interrupting): OK, hold on!
SIMON SCHAMA: He is starting an investigation into an election he won!
JAMES O'BRIEN: Yes.
SIMON SCHAMA: This is beyond absurd.
JAMES O'BRIEN: There are three adjectives there that I will pick up on: 'absurd' is the first, but 'scary' and 'authoritarian' are the other two. Do you recognise what Simon Schama describes?
TED MALLOCH: None of the above. Where would you like me to start?
JAMES O'BRIEN: Well, let's start with the voter fraud allegations. He's sort of alleging that the Democrats managed to swing 3 million illegal votes, but not put any of them in the places that would have swung the election.
TED MALLOCH: So, let's have an investigation, and if there's hard evidence - and there's supposedly some people who have some evidence - then if there's more investigation...
JAMES O'BRIEN (interrupting): There's one (indecipherable)...
SIMON SCHAMA (interrupting) The evidence comes from Greg Phillips, the conspiracy theorist!
TED MALLOCH: We'll see what evidence there is.
JAMES O'BRIEN (interrupting): We have the investigation and come to the conclusions afterwards?
TED MALLOCH: No, then you obviously state the conclusions. That's what investigations are. We have an investigation into Russian hacking and then we find out the truth. Hopefully we have imperial evidence into these things that we can look at, rather than dismissing them out of hand at the beginning. Why not look at them? Even on the liberal left, you are willing to look at actual facts?JAMES O'BRIEN: Empirical evidence. I mean, obviously it's a bit of a...
TED MALLOCH: I'm a social scientist, so I prefer data.
JAMES O'BRIEN: Clearly. Except when climate change is on the table.
TED MALLOCH: Yeah, well, there are people who have different points of view on climate change.
JAMES O'BRIEN (interrupting): Thought we were talking about empirical data a minute ago!
TED MALLOCH: We are! But there are about 10%, I'm told, of hard scientists who have some questions about some of that data.
JAMES O'BRIEN: Of course. Let me just draw the conversation out, if I may, and look at whether or not you feel, as somebody who clearly Donald Trump holds in high regard, that we are in some sense - whether you're worried about it, like Simon Schama, or whether you're not, like you - at a pivotal point in Western history?
TED MALLOCH: I think we are at a turn in Western history. Obviously we have had a change from one regime to another regime, so you have that. But you also have a more national-orientated and more populist-orientated political caste coming into play, and that's not just in the United States. It's in many countries around the world. So if that's the case then maybe a new order is beginning to appear.
JAMES O'BRIEN: Nationalist, populist, they are not new ideas, are they?
TED MALLOCH: Well, in this form, this time, yes. Frankly, are there any new ideas since Plato? We could have that debate.
JAMES O'BRIEN (interrupting): But we're not. Nationalism and populism rarely lead to harmony.
TED MALLOCH: Lead to harmony? Well, there are different kinds of nationalism, different kinds of populism.
SIMON SCHAMA (interrupting): Well, 'America first', you know, let's take that slogan. It takes a jaw-dropping ignorance of history...
TED MALLOCH (interrupting): So do you know who used the term first?
SIMON SCHAMA: ...if you know your history...Pardon?
TED MALLOCH (interrupting): Do you know who used the term first?
SIMON SCHAMA: Well, it was....Wilson?
TED MALLOCH: Woodrow Wilson!
SIMON SCHAMA: Fine. I know. But it was reprehensible when Wilson used it...
TED MALLOCH (interrupting): Ah, I see.
SIMON SCHAMA (crosstalk): It was unbelievably reprehensible...
TED MALLOCH (crosstalk): Maybe when Lindbergh used it it was more reprehensible.
SIMON SCHAMA (crosstalk): And how! Lindbergh was an appeaser. Lindbergh was soft on the Nazis. It is an irony that Trump has moved Churchill back into his office, who would have detested and did detest everything about the slogan and what 'America first' stood for.
TED MALLOCH: But he nonetheless needed America to help save Britain at a certain point in time. But Trump is probably not intellectually connected with that wonderful litany we've just talked about in terms of intellectual history...
JAMES O'BRIEN (interrupting): What is he intellectually interested in?
TED MALLOCH: He is interested in, clearly literally, putting America first, re-establishing America's place in the world, America's economy. That is the thing to underscore. He really got elected on a platform that said the middle class has suffered for at least 15 years. So it's not just the last eight years. But it has suffered and it needs to come back...
SIMON SCHAMA (interrupting): So why's he proposing a tax cut that will benefit, hugely and disproportionately, the top 1%?
TED MALLOCH: You know about supply-side economics, it's worked before.
SIMON SCHAMA (interrupting): No, it hasn't worked before. We could have an argument about that.
TED MALLOCH: I'm an economist. It's worked before. It worked for John Kennedy, it worked for Ronald Reagan and it could work this time. In four years we could have a balanced budget under the best circumstances.
SIMON SCHAMA: We had a balanced budget under Bill Clinton actually...
TED MALLOCH (interrupting): Newt Gingrich was the head of the Congress and they did it together, if you recall.
JAMES O'BRIEN: I'm interested in the distinction between 'literally' and 'seriously'. It has been a recurring theme in the programme. You taken seriously, but you don't take him literally. You have always taken him literally?
TED MALLOCH: No. I think you could take him either way and people obviously have in this very campaign.
JAMES O'BRIEN (interrupting): But he's President now, he is not campaigning.
TED MALLOCH: That's true. There should be some difference, you know. When you're president you step up your game...
JAMES O'BRIEN (interrupting): Have you seen any yet? Have you seen any yet?
TED MALLOCH: Well, In five days, I think we are beginning to... I actually think we saw some of it today, in the meeting and the summit with Theresa May.
JAMES O'BRIEN: Ted Malloch, thank you. Simon Schama, are you seeing any cause for cautious optimism?
SIMON SCHAMA: No.
JAMES O'BRIEN: Or a dilution of your pessimism?
SIMON SCHAMA: No.
JAMES O'BRIEN: Ted Malloch, Simon Schama, thank you very much indeed.