Showing posts with label William Crawley. Show all posts
Showing posts with label William Crawley. Show all posts

Sunday, 19 September 2021

The Bishop of Radio 4's 'Sunday'

  

It's surely time now for David Walker, the go-ahead Bishop of Manchester, to be officially installed as Bishop of Radio 4's Sunday

He's on the programme so often, usually receiving the BBC's blessing for one of his campaigns.

This week Sunday helped publicise his campaign against the Government's latest immigration bill. 

If you didn't hear it yourself, here's a flavour of how it was framed today:
William Crawley: Good morning. On this week's Sunday, is the medieval idea of sanctuary coming back in a world of asylum seekers and refugees? 
William Crawley: Still to come on Sunday, why being a Good Samaritan may soon be a criminal offence, according to the Church of England. 
William Crawley: The Nationality and Borders Bill currently going through Parliament has angered some Church of England bishops. 12 bishops have signed a public letter this week accusing the government of effectively criminalising Good Samaritans. They say the bill would criminalise not only attempts to cross the border irregularly, nor even simply people-smuggling, but even those who take part in the rescue of boats in distress at sea. This week churches have also been welcoming Afghans who fled their homeland last month after the Taliban took control. The BBC's Carolyn Atkinson was at St Paul's church in Marylebone as volunteers welcome some of those refugees.

Naturally for Sunday, no one who thought differently on the issue was heard from, so here's a flavour of the response on Twitter instead:

  • The Bishop of Manchester once again managed to walk past the issue that the people he is discussing are effectively fleeing France & by extension the EU & are in no way "compelled" to risk "perilous" crossing over Channel from which everybody arrives safely in Kent, so parallels [with the Good Samaritan story] seem weak.
  • Suggest these bishops look at a world map. We are a tiny island. Across the world millions face war & prejudice but, realistically, it’s just not possible to accommodate, integrate, house, educate & offer free healthcare to them all in the UK. 
  • The clueless bishop who doesn't think before opening his mouth. Encouraging people to risk their lives illegally crossing one of the busiest shipping lanes in an inflatable. Placing themselves & others at risk. And what of the poor, whose jobs they would take, he doesn't care.

And the Bishop of Manchester wasn't the only bishop given a bit of free advertising for his campaign this week. The programme began with Mark Strange, the go-ahead Bishop of Moray, Ross & Caithness campaigning about climate change, and here's how that was framed by Sunday:

William Crawley: Ahead of Cop26, the UN climate Change Conference in Glasgow taking place next month, faith leaders across the UK have united in a declaration, which they hope will raise up a new generation of advocates for climate justice. The Glasgow Multi-Faith Declaration calls on faith communities to make transformational changes in their lives for the sake of the planet and to speak truth to the politically powerful about their responsibilities. But what does transformational change look like in practical terms, electric cars, avoiding air travel, moving away from meat based diets, reusing clothing. I asked Bishop Mark Strange, Primus of the Scottish Episcopal Church, the Anglican communion's delegate to COP26 and one of the architects of this new multi-faith declaration.
William Crawley: Well, on this third commitment of speaking truth to power, when the UK Government, when Boris Johnson's government effectively, says the Government's most international priority is dealing with with the climate crisis and at the same time the Government is supporting a new coal mine or cutting taxes on flights in response to what we've been through with Covid, some have used the term 'hypocrisy' of this Government in describing what they say and what they are doing. Would you use that term? 
Bishop Strange: I think I probably have used that term.

Again, no alternative voice was heard from.

Very Sunday.

Sunday, 29 November 2020

The night is passed and the day is at hand. Let us therefore cast off the works of darkness and put on the armour of light. Let us walk honestly, as in the day.

    


Story time...

The first Sunday in Advent, for Christians, is when a candle is lit for a world wound in woe.

The first Sunday in Advent - the one on BBC Radio 4 today - give us a world wound in woe and woke, and no candle whatsoever.

Racism, transgender issues, the foreign aid budget, etc, were all present and correct.

In fact, the programme approached self-parody this week: It gave us 40 mins of the usual dreary, worthy, 'liberal' handwringing before ending with a very jolly chap singing Ding, Dong, Merrily On High! 

The programme climaxed in a show trial. 

A socially conservative Christian organisation was in the dock. (Not that anyone from the organisation was actually present. It was tried and convicted in absentia.)

What had that socially conservative Christian organisation done wrong? Well, it had put out a video which misgendered someone.

The unhappily misgendered trans man was duly interviewed by Sunday. 

He kindly granted that socially conservative voices shouldn't be silenced, but...

The "but" was, of course, that in this case - and all such cases like it - such people should be silenced. Or else. 

And then came a nice, waffling Anglican bishop. The poor man was hauled in and placed in the dock in lieu of the condemned-but-absent Christian organisation. 

The Bishop of Coventry, bless him, was completely incomprehensible. (Rowan Atkinson couldn't have made him up.) He bowed and curtsied to the unfortunate misgendered chap but said little else that made sense, and presenter William Crawley got frustrated with him.  

William's a true pro though. He stuck to Sunday's guns and pushed the bishop to condemn the head of the socially conservative Christian charity - a lady who also sits on the Church of England's General Synod. William's line of questioning was: Why is she still on the General Synod? Shouldn't disciplinary action be taken against her?

The bishop waffled and said nothing that anyone other than God could possibly understand. 
 
Sunday was truly outrageous today, suggesting any criticism of transgendered men should be silence in case it 'gives offence.'

It won the programme plaudits from a few Twitter folk though.

Meanwhile, this week's Sunday also contained yet another plug for a book written or co-written by someone from the left-leaning Catholic magazine The Tablet, of which Sunday's main presenter Ed Stourton remains a trustee. 

I've counted four such book plugs for senior Tablet folk, past and present, in the past couple of months. 

We've been here before

Still, at least the Advent edition of Sunday Worship that followed featured one of my favourite choral pieces - Ubi Caritas by the French composer Maurice DuruflĂ©. Unfortunately, the reader talked all over it. So, to make up for that, here's the full thing - uninterrupted:

Sunday, 27 September 2020

Same old, same old

 


It's been a while since I mounted my hobby-horse about Radio 4's Sunday programme

Nothing's changed though. 

This morning, for example, it marked the Catholic Church's World Day for Migrants and Refugees - very much its kind of thing.

Preceding William Crawley's interview with Cardinal Nichols, they played us a clip of an asylum seeker from Nigeria (who also happens to be a member of the campaign group Refugees for Change). He condemned the UK's asylum system for being too harsh. 

So that was the starting point for what followed. 

And then came William's questions to the liberal Cardinal Nichols, nearly all of which came from a very particular angle:

  • That's the experience of Ben, Cardinal. Do you agree with him that the UK's asylum and refugee system is harsh, is broken?
  • Well, if you do think the system is broken, how is it broken? What's gone wrong with it in your judgement?
  • And that hostile rhetoric, from where?
  • No, I mean who is voicing that? Who is voicing that rhetoric?
  • What about the rhetoric of the Government? What about the rhetoric of the Home Secretary, Priti Patel, for example, in progressing the Immigration Bill?

It was almost funny. From the third leading question there, William was clearly angling after getting the Cardinal to condemn Priti Patel, but - as is his way - the waffling Cardinal wasn't getting there fast enough, so William had to spell it out to him in the fifth question. 

William did 'balance' things by then reading a short statement from the Home Office before changing the subject:

  • Can I just finally and briefly ask you about...the Church of England archbishops, who've also expressed their concerns about a second wave of coronavirus, the implications of all of that, some of us of course in the public wondering about Christmas and whether it will essentially be cancelled this year. Very briefly, your thoughts?

There were so many questions that Sunday could have put to Cardinal Nichols, challenging him on some of his highly questionable statements, putting alternative points of view, but that's not what Sunday does on issues like this. 

It is indelibly set in its ways, doubtless because everyone on the programme thinks pretty much the same way about immigration.

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We also got some ridiculous story about an American priest who got into a spot of difficulty because of the use of pronouns, and an item about how wonderful it is that madrassas are re-opening in Preston (with the usual obfuscations about why Muslim communities seem to be being disproportionately impacted by coronavirus).

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It began however, pace Charlie on the Open Thread, with an item on the Trump administrations "socially conservative Catholic" nominee to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the US Supreme Court. William talked to one of the programme's regular US commentators, Mark I. Pinsky (the one who calls Donald Trump an "asshole"). William's approach was classic Sunday:

  • First to the United States. where last night Donald Trump named his pick to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg as a US Supreme Court justice. As expected, he chose Amy Coney Barrett, a socially conservative Catholic and former law professor who has served for the past 3 years as a federal judge. Republican senators have previously argued that Supreme Court nominations should not be made during an election year and with less than 40 days until the 2020 presidential election Democrats have condemned this nomination as an abuse of power and called on senators not to confirm the appointment. To assess the significance of this presidential pick for America's top court I've been talking to the religion journalist and author Mark Pinsky.
  • There's already a flurry of concerns that Amy Coney Barrett is a member of a small charismatic Catholic group called People  of Praise. What do we know about that group and what it stands for?
  • And some concern about the connection between this group and Margaret Atwood it would appear?
  • Potentially, this could be the most consequential Supreme Court appointment in living memory, couldn't it? 
  • And she, I understand, has already made some comments in 2016 about the inappropriateness of appointing a Supreme Court justice so close to an election. That was an issue of course in 2016. Could that come back to haunt her?
  • It seems very strange to people on this side of the Atlantic that there is so much concentration and focus in the media and in politics in the United States around the appointment of a judge because it is such a political thing, whereas in the United Kingdom it is a much more independent process in terms of the judiciary. Amy Coney Barrett, if she's appointed, could very well change America, couldn't she?

Again, all the talking points come from the same angle. They are liberal, pro-Democrat talking points.

The accusations of hypocrisy against both Amy Coney Barrett and the Republicans which William pursued more than once, for example, are only half-fair because they omit to mention that the Democrats are being just as hypocritical. Indeed, the late Ruth Bader Ginsburg wanted her kind of judge appointed before the 2016 election but in 2020, as her dying wish, wanted any new judge appointed after the election, so even she was being hypocritical. 

Fran Unsworth really has her work cut out broadening the range of thinking on this programme.

Update: As Julian notes in the comments,
The group Ms Barrett belongs to is not the one that is supposedly the one the Handmaid's Tale is based upon. The video of Ms Barrett that purports to show her arguing against this course of action has been edited to omit the fact that she was arguing the exact opposite. Both these details were available yesterday so basically the BBC is repeating lies at worst or regurgitating old news at best. 

Even setting aside the bias, this is terrible BBC journalism.

Sunday, 26 January 2020

Meeting expectations


Radio 4's Sunday programme staged a discussion this morning about the Church of England's position on civil partnerships between a liberal Anglican bishop (Alan Wilson, Bishop of Buckingham) and a tradionalist Anglican blogger on the General Synod (Dr Ian Paul). Presenter William Crawley did exactly what I expected him to do: He took the liberal bishop's side and grilled the traditionalist blogger who was upholding traditional Christian teaching on marriage. Dr Paul was interrupted 7 times by William. Such are the way's of Radio 4's Sunday.

Sunday, 10 November 2019

Controversial reporting


My antennae twitched as soon as I heard William Crawley's tone of voice as he said the following on Radio 4's Sunday this morning:
Religious and community organisations are being paid thousands of pounds to assist the Home Office in removing people from the United Kingdom. The controversial scheme involves setting up voluntary return centres where immigrants, usually those who have become homeless, receive financial support from the Home Office to go back to their country of origin.
Now, that doesn't sound too bad when read from the written page, even though you can see the telltale word "controversial" there. What you don't get from just reading is the way William managed to suggest surprise or even incredulity in his tone of voice as he read it, as if he was describing someone he didn't much like. He could have read it straight, but he didn't.

The following report by Rajeev Gupta also called the scheme "controversial". 

Rajeev's report did feature two people - one Hindu, one Sikh - who backed the scheme but they got less time than its critics, and the report's main speaker came from the group campaigning against this deportation method. She got the lion's share of the report and was given both the first word and the last word, thus framing its argument. Sunday's favourite Anglican bishop, Manchester's David Walker, was also on hand as a featured critic, and he wasn't challenged - unlike the Hindu supporter of the scheme. So, all in all, it wasn't hard to work out where Sunday stood on the issue.

Sunday, 28 July 2019

Language Eleanor!


Courtesy of MB, here are a fine couple of examples of biased language from the BBC this morning. First, here's Radio 5 Live's Eleanor Oldroyd using the e-word about the ERG (at around 7.40am):
There seem to be some interesting clash points all over the place really, aren't there?  There are plenty of people who want to avoid a no deal, including the former Chancellor Philip Hammond. There are the extreme Brexiteers, if you like, the ERG, who are potentially coming to clash with Boris Johnson, the new Prime Minister, and his chief adviser Dominic Cummings. 
Secondly, here's William Crawley on Radio 4's Sunday using one of the i-words (no, not that one!) in connection to Boris Johnson's column defending the right of Muslim women to wear the burqa (the one with the letterbox joke):
Philip, what about Boris Johnson's relationship with faith communities? That infamous column we heard reference to earlier about the burqa and comparing it to letterboxes, just one example of that I suppose. 

Sunday, 7 April 2019

Equivalence


The closing section of this morning's Sunday on Radio 4 saw presenter William Crawley vigorously pushing what Douglas Murray calls "one of the worst tropes of our time", namely an equivalence between antisemitism and 'Islamophobia'. Par for the course, alas.

Sunday, 10 March 2019

Begum the question



The opening discussion on this morning's Sunday programme has attracted interest. 

StewGreen, for example, characterised the discussion as being a ‘Bring them home Muslim’ vs a ‘Keep em out Muslim’, the latter being in favour of deprogramming camps “on the Turkish border or in Cyprus”. 

I thought Ismael South (the latter) was a thoughtful, engaging fellow but he did cast Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins as bogey-people, and the main reason for not letting Shamima Begum & her elk/ilk back into the country was that it would help their cause. 

(WTF...those 2 don’t do anything wrong, they are not terrorists", commented Stew to that.)

William Crawley was, of course, very BBC throughout.

Here's a transcript.

[My transcription was done with the help of TV Eyes - not that TV Eyes works well for radio. It kept mishearing the name 'Shamima Begum' and came up with several best-guesses: 'Jimmy Bacon', 'shimmy of bacon', 'some bacon' and 'mum Baker MPs'. ]

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William Crawley: The death of Shamima Begum's baby son has reignited a political row and a moral debate about the Home Secretary's decision to revoke the 19 year-old British citizenship for travelling to Syria to join the Islamic State terror group. Miqdaad Versi is with us from the Muslim Council of Britain. Miqdaad, good morning to you and welcome. And, as you've just heard in the news bulletin, it's also been reported today by some of the Sunday papers that two more jihadi brides from the UK have been stripped of their citizenship, apparently living in refugee camps in Syria and being named this morning as Reema Iqbal and her sister Zara Iqbal. What's been the reaction within the Muslim community here to this unfolding and developing story?
Miqdaad Versi: I think that, in general with most of these issues, the reaction within the Muslim community is always mixed. There will be different perspectives across the country. But what's really important is that we as a country look and consider our commitment to justice and the rule of law in these areas. We have to be very careful about what the implications are of removing citizenship of those who happened to have dual nationality, which affects minority communities disproportionately. It will mean that those who have dual nationality - you know, especially those from the Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities - will feel and have expressed the view that their nationality as a British citizen is somehow less than others and they have fewer rights than everybody else. And that's something that is not ideal for our society
William Crawley: I see in The Observer today the Bishop of St Albans, Dr. Alan Smith, being cited and quoted saying "This is a human rights issue" and challenging the Home Secretary's decision to exclude Shamima Begum from the UK by taking away her citizenship. Do you share that sentiment that this is a human rights-focused issue?
Miqdaad Versi: I think we agree entirely. Human rights, the rule of law and justice are core principles for all of us, and it's important that the actions that are taken are those that are in the national interest and in line with the values that we believe in as a society and aren't in view of specific choices that are made by a Home Secretary for whatever reason that might help their own personal ambition. We can't know that for a fact. What we have to care about more, what we have to ensure is the case, that this is about the rule of law, justice and our commitment to human rights.
William Crawley: Let me also welcome Ismael South to the Sunday studio, director of the Salam project - a youth and community initiative. Good to see you. Good morning to you. And big questions today also about the potential implications in the United Kingdom for deradicalisation work of the kind you've been involved in in response to this case. Are their implications?
Ismael South: Definitely there are implications, but what it is that I would like to put across there, Shemima Begum and these two that you heard about today, according to our research, there's over 450 British people in prison camps, in Kurdish prison camps, around Syria. And not only that, there's thousands more from around Europe, thousands more including America, Oceania (that's Australia and New Zealand). And I believe the way...yes, we might not agree with what the Home Secretary has done but the reality is that we need to look at the solutions, because there's over 400 British citizens who are stuck in Syria. So I believe, because the British Muslim charities, they make over a billion pounds a year in the UK. Those are British Muslim charities. The top 40 British Muslims charities make over a billion pounds a year. And if we all be honest, around 35% of that is due to red tape and waste. So I believe if Sajid Javid and Theresa May want to look at a solution, not little plasters, if they were to ask the heads of these top 40 Muslim charities and say, look, we can have a facility on the Turkish border or in Cyprus and we want you to pay for it, and this is a place where these people can be debriefed, they could be used for Intel, counselled (because they're going to be suffering from trauma) and they could be risk-assessed and they could be utilised for research, and they also can be facilitated through various deradicalisation projects...
William Crawley: (interrupting) Alright, so you're suggesting that that should be done there, as it were? You're not, you're not, supporting bringing these people back to this country?
Ismael South: To be straight with you, I'm 50/50, because I see both sides. I believe if Shemima Begum was brought here to the UK it would give more power to people like Tommy Robinson Katie Hopkins, that type of elk, because they would use that as a horse, as a Trojan horse, to promote their rhetoric. And I believe... 
William Crawley: (interrupting) Can I  just bring Miqdaad Versi in on that?
Ismael South: Yes.
William Crawley: Just to test where you are on that question, Miqdaad. Do you agree with that?
Miqdaad Versi: I appreciate that perspective but I think that our commitment to the rule of law has to take priority over those perspectives. For example, someone like Anjem Choudary - an individual who is considered quite...massively negatively across all Muslims communities and across the country as a whole. He come out of prison. Like, should he have been kept in prison because it would have been "good" for Muslim communities or would have stopped Tommy Robinson and his ilk, etc. We shouldn't, of course we shouldn't do that. We need to follow the rule of law because those are the things...the commitment to justice, human rights, the rule of law, that's what makes us as a country. We should not be some stopping these values just because of these individuals. It doesn't make sense...
William Crawley: (interrupting) Ismael, very briefly?
Ismael South: With respect to Miqdaad Versi...I love Miqdaad Versi. He's a good man. He's done a lot of good work, and is very intellectual, but if it was up to me people like Anjem Choudary, his passport would be revoked and I would ship him back somewhere else because he's caused so much destruction, so much rifting communities, he's broken up so many families, and he makes it harder for Muslim communities around the UK.
William Crawley: Ismael South, thank you very much. Thanks also to Miqdaad Versi from the Muslim Council of Britain.. 

The M-word


Listening to this morning's Sunday on Radio 4, Jane noticed something I also noticed:


Now, to be strictly accurate, the programme's interviewee, Amanda Spielman (Her Majesty’s Chief Inspector of Schools) did mention the M-word midway through the interview. It was presenter William Crawley who went out of his way to find ways not to mention it. 

Sunday, 30 December 2018

Radio 4 Sunday's immigration special: A masterclass in bias


If it's still the case that "Radio 4's Sunday programme offers perhaps the most undiluted liberal bias to be found anywhere on the BBC", then every klaxon in the country should have sounded at the news that today's edition was going to be an immigration special

The bias was off-the-scale today. 

William Crawley's introduction announced the "controversial" subject by featuring a clip from a Sunday report about most of the congregation at a church in Stoke upping and leaving after the vicar opened a refugee support hub there. The clip consisted of a woman wagging her finger at the congregation (figuratively-speaking), saying that faith "isn't meant to be comfortable". 

Then he promised us two Syrian refugees-turned-stand-up comedians, and played us a sample joke: "Any country wouldn't give a visa to a Syrian family, even though they need it, but they would give it to a white man because he needs to find himself". 

And then came the coup de grâce: William announced that he'd be joined throughout the programme by two people: Dr. Anna Rowlands of Durham University and writer Shelina Janmohamed (author of Love in a Headscarf and Generation M: Young Muslims Changing the World.

Would they have sharply differing views on the subject of immigration? Of course not. This being the BBC's Sunday, the two 'experts' approached the issue from very similar, pro-immigration positions. 

After being introduced, both gave us their initial takes on the subject.  Dr. Anna thinks it's a "largely distorted debate" and that the voices of migrants and refugees themselves have been "largely marginal" and "even very often missing from public debates", while Shelina thinks it's "a big, bad scary conversation" and that "it's almost as though every evil in every woe that we have in our country is somehow the fault of immigration" and that "the most worrying part" is that "we are transposing all of that hate, fear and worry onto immigrants themselves".

The perfect guests, then, for a BBC Radio 4 Sunday special on immigration. 

A report from Birmingham followed, beginning with Sunday reporter Rajeev Gupta painting a scene he described as "a positive image of multicultural Britain" before turning to the matter at hand: the views of Leave and Remain supporters from what William Crawley called "the British Asian community". Most of the people he spoke to had voted Remain - Yasmin Ali, for starters, called the debate "misguided" and said "this country needs immigration" - but when the Sunday reporter then interviewed a Hindu family, two of whose members had voted Leave and who had (as he put it) "curiously" cited immigration as a key reason for that, the mood changed. Having let Yasmin have her pro-immigration say without challenge, Sunday's Rajeev then challenged the elderly Hindu lady about her views, asking her whether present day immigrants "deserve an opportunity the same way you had that opportunity". Her son, when he echoed his mother's views that present-day immigrants don't make the effort to become British but keep to their own ways and said that this is a Christian country and that he doesn't want it to lose its identity, Rajeev of the BBC said, "There'll be people [including himself, by the sounds of it!] that say your views resonate with people that are regularly in the media accused of preaching hate speech". The Hindu gentleman's own son, a Remain voter, then praised immigration and multiculturalism - and, naturally,  the Sunday reporter didn't challenge him. And the report ended there and then with the son's praise for immigration and diversity left ringing in our ears. A very 'Sunday' report indeed, with bias running through it like letters in a stick of rock.

Then William talked to those two Syrian refugees who are now stand-up comedians here in the UK, making jokes about their experiences. We heard the earlier joke again. 

Then came 'balance' - an interview with Eric Kaufmann, author of Whiteshift: Populism, Immigration and the Future of White Majorities”. Prof. Kaufmann distanced himself from populism and "the anti-Muslim discourse that we see", but said it isn't racist to be concerned and that it's harmful to suppress majority identity. He didn't get a free ride, as you'll see if I list William's questions to him:

  • And the two key examples you have of that populist moment are the rise of Donald Trump and Brexit?
  • These themes - white identity, and white identitarianism, we hear these days - are themes we typically associate with white nationalist narratives. Are you concerned, Eric, that your work could be drawn on by those kinds of groups to give some kind of academic legitimacy to essentially racist or white supremacist ideas?
  • So, actually, what you are suggesting, it seems, is that we need to talk more about white identity in order to deal with, to challenge, racist ideas?
  • Even your critics, I'm sure, will accept that there is a dimension of the human experience where we tend to 'other' other people and, in a sense, engage in bigotry. Even though we may not use language that is so clearly bigoted, we 'other' other people. And, instead of pandering to that in the future and developing a system that descends into some kind of presumed race realism, we should challenge that tendency to 'other' other people?
  • What about the role of religion? Do religious beliefs play any significant role in shaping an individual's view of immigration?
  • And in the past year we've reported quite a bit on Sunday on how immigration in some areas of the country has had a very beneficial effect in terms of those religious communities[You can say that again, William!]. When you look to the future to what extent do you think the religious future of Britain will be tied to the increasing levels of immigration?

Prof. Kaufmann's contribution was then discussed with the programme's two guests, Dr. Anna Rowlands and Shelina Janmohamed. I could guess in advance how that was going to go, and I wasn't disappointed. 

Shelina - doing a bit of a Cathy Newman-style "What's he's really saying is" hatched job on the now-absent Eric - complained of "the veneer of respectability" in how he "couched" his views in "academic language", and called them "a complete misdirection". He's "placating racism", according to her, and promoting "race superiority" among whites ("white" being "the norm" in society.) 

Dr. Anna objected to his focus on identity, or any talk of identity when it comes to discussing immigration. She'd prefer a focus on "the serious political questions about moral obligation, about inequalities, about the protection that the state owes externally to those who are in need, and also, in a sense, for our own responsibility from a policy point of view for our own intervention in terms of arms sales, economic and wider political policy".  

Perhaps taking fright at Shelina's increasingly inflammatory language about Prof. Kaufmann, William ended this section by saying:
OK. I know that Eric Kaufmann absolutely denies any claim that he's championing race superiority. But thank you both very much. We'll come back to both Anna and Shelina in a few minutes.
The programme then paused to preview Sunday Worship on Radio 4, and went from covert 'preaching' about immigration to overt 'preaching': 
A quick look ahead to Sunday Worship later this morning on Radio 4. The former Lib Dem MP and education minister Sarah Teather reflects on the biblical story of Jesus and his refugee family.
Sarah Teather: And it's hard to escape the realisation that God seems to be doing something in these refugees' lives, something that doesn't come so easily to those of us who live with more certainty and security. Perhaps refugees who have walked the lonely journey of anxiety and struggle, and learned through it to lean on God, have something to teach us.
The programme then resumed, and William Crawley began talking of the Iranian migrants from France trying to illegally enter the UK by sailing across the English Channel in flimsy boats. Not that he put it like that, of course. He merely talked of "extremely dangerous crossings that have been undertaken by extremely desparate people". He then talked to former anti-slavery commissioner Kevin Hyland about the situation. William asked Mr Hyland:
Well, what you make of the strategy proposed by some people, regarded as a very tough strategy by others, that the government should follow the lead of, for example, Australia and try to discourage these dangerous crossings by telling anyone making these crossings or attempting to make them that they will be denied entry?
Mr Hyland didn't approve of the strategy. He called it "simplistic". We need to "rescue" these people and "treat them with dignity" and "listen to the migrants". He also picked up on William's talk of 'othering' earlier and complained that the Government sees such people as "others" and "a nuisance", whereas they should be thinking of them as being "vulnerable". 

It was off to church then (for more 'covert BBC preaching'), and Brexit-voting Stoke-on-Trent, and that story previewed at the start of the programme. The Anglican vicar, Rev. Sally Smith, had - as William told us - "opened her church...to refugees in the area". She "encountered strong opposition from her existing, mainly white congregation, most of whom left the church". Sunday reporter Rosie Wright talked to Rev. Sally, various volunteers helping the "asylum seekers" and some of the "asylum seekers". Only one side of the story was represented. 

It was then back to the two guests, Dr. Anna Rowlands and Shelina Janmohamed. William began with the migrants in the English Channel and quoted to them an Anglican bishop wagging his finger at the Government and calling on them to "remember that those attempting these dangerous crossings are people in need" and that "compassion" is needed. Dr. Anna said that these people are in "a place of desperation" (France?), and agreed with the bishop. Then William asked Shelina about the idea that the UK should become "a place of sanctuary" to such people, and Shelina talked of our feelings of "insecurity" about such people and how "sad" she finds that. It's not a sign that we're "a strong country", she said. She wants us to focus on the history of immigration and "have quite difficult conversations about British empire, about colonial history, about imperial legacy, and even slavery and the role of the Church within that...". And so on, and William added his own two-penn'orth too:
William Crawley: Anna, I guess if we talk about the theology of immigration, the media is part of that story too, isn't it? Basic information, when we hear words like 'invasions' or 'influx', and the UN migration agency tells actually in global terms the numbers attempting these crossings in the Channel remain small. You've got to wonder who you're getting your information from?
Anna Rowlands: Yeah. absolutely. And I think we've generally debased our language. I think we have really, really debased language with people and myth and narrative, and the Brexit debate have shown that over and over again. We need good quality narratives and they need to come from multiple sources. 
[Is satire dead? Here were William Crawley, Dr. Anna Rowlands and Shelina Janmohamed all giving us the same narrative. I suppose she'd consider the three of them, all saying the same thing, to be "multiple sources" of "good quality narrative"-telling.]
If anyone thinks this was impartial BBC broadcasting, I'll eat the late Lord Ashdown's hat. It was pretty much a foregone conclusion that the programme would have a strong bias on the issue of immigration (in the usual left-liberal direction), but this was something else: an absolute raging torrent of bias. 

I know I'm not alone here, thankfully. Here are a few tweets about the programme this morning:
David Robertson: Listening to BBC R4 Sunday this morning was somewhat disappointing - it offered the kind of shallow, one-sided narrative that feeds the far Right. Refusing to engage with the discussion and simplifying concerns about immigration to racism or even the British Empire, is not helpful. 
Davy F: BBC R4 Sunday. Look, thanks for sharing from poor old Stoke. IF any of you lived here you would realise that there are far too many unemployed immigrants already in residence. It is undeniable and unsustainable. Talk as much as you like around your coffee tables, this is FACT. 
Eamon: BBC R4 Sunday as always the two contributors on this topic came from the same side of the fence. A lot of unchallenged assumptions and assertions were allowed to go unchallenged. Not good enough..v poor. 
Ploughboy: Both of whom seem to be very left wing, as is the BBC's practice. And why the dishonesty from them on the illegal immigrants trying to cross the channel? These people aren't in imminent danger, they're coming from European countries where they are quite safe. Simply lies. 
Linda Floyd: This infuriates me, just listened to  BBC R4 Sunday prog on racism & immigration, but enormous distinction between legal & illegal  immigration not mentioned. It isn't racist to want ILLEGAL immigration prevented. (Legal immigrants welcome).

Sunday, 7 October 2018

The Big Questions



There have been 97 Archbishops of York so far. I learned that from this morning's Sunday. No.97, John Sentamu, has recently announced that he will retire in June 2020. William Crawley discussed the matter with the Bishop of Norwich Graham Jones - and, no, he didn't introduce him with the words, "And now from Norwich, it's the bishop of the week". (That's for anyone who remembers Sale Of The Century). William asked the 'very BBC' questions: Has John Sentamu been "a trailblazer for other BAME clerics"? And is it time for a woman next? 

Sunday, 18 March 2018

A one-way street



This morning's Sunday on Radio 4 closed with a discussion about the Government's Green Paper on integration. 

It featured Professor Ted Cantle of the Community Cohesion Foundation and Miqdaad Versi of the Muslim Council of Britain. 

Mr. Versi broadly welcomed the Green Paper but was concerned about its "inappropriate" focus on the Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities (particularly over poor English language skills). 

This (particularly thanks to presenter William Crawley maintaining that focus) became the main talking point of the whole discussion. 

Professor Cantle agreed with Mr. Versi about the inappropriateness of singling out the Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities, calling the media's focus on 'Muslim communities' "very unfortunate". 

They both agreed that integration should focus on "all communities" and be "a two-way street". 

William Crawley also invited Miqdaad Versi to discuss "Sharia courts", saying there has been "a lot of press coverage of that section of the report this week". 

Mr. Versi liked what the Green Paper says about them. 

A comment I saw elsewhere sums up my view of this discussion: "If only BBC Radio 4 Sunday had asked some more testing questions (ie proper journalistic questions) rather than a series of invitations to be politically correct".

Tuesday, 22 August 2017

Tuesday Morning ramble

John Humphrys read out the wrong date this morning but I think he got away with it. (They must have spliced the right date in afterwards)

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On the principle that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing I hesitate to leap into the foray over about moral equivalence between out-and-out Nazis (the alt-right) and Antifa (or, if you like, the alt-left) 

Until we have a visible body of strutting, out and proud swastika-wielding Nazis in Britain we’ll probably have a different perspective on the issue. We have a slightly different set of villains.

A discussion between Melanie Phillips and Rabbi Jeffrey Salkin about Trump’s approach to Charlottesville  took place at the end of the Sunday programme
“In the context of Donald Trump's remarks about the events in Charlottesville, Melanie Phillips and Rabbi Jeffrey Salkin discuss Moral Equivalence.” 
says the website.

“Trump was saying” said William Crawley, ” that there was no moral difference between the thugs who tried to turn Charlottesville into Nuremberg and those who came out to oppose them - the words of Rabbi Jeffery Salkin - or perhaps” he continued,”this was not, as widely portrayed, a clash between fascists and anti-fascists - it was between two groups, each of which perpetrate hatred and intolerance - the words of the columnist Melanie Phillips.” 

What followed was a civilised discussion which deserved a longer slot than it was allotted by the BBC, but William Crawley took a back seat and conducted the chairmanship rather well, I thought. (By not interrupting)

I see this as a perfect example of a topic that makes demands of the audience, starting with comprehension and historical awareness. The listener ought to know a little about, e.g., Donald Trump, American white supremacists, Nazis, fascists, antifascists, supporters of Black Lives Matter, statues that honour discredited historical figures, the antisemitic hard left and the antisemitic hard right, BDS, freedom of speech, the right to protest, violence, retaliation, self defence, murder and terrorism,  before jumping in with some superficial verdict.
Even so -  even if the historical and political context has been taken into account, there won’t be a definitive ‘right’ side.

On this occasion the speakers weren’t in complete disagreement, and they both expressed thought-provoking arguments. 

Sadly, as I said the other day, RIP Subtlety. The reaction on Twitter - I don’t want to link to any of it - but certain people were outraged that Melanie Phillips had been given a platform.

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Talking of statues, we are facing the prospect of a statue of Brucie. Please, no.

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Talking of facing prospects, what about the Crown Prosecution Service clamping down on online hate crime. Is racism actually illegal, then? Can hate be criminalised?  Will the CPS be able to pry right inside our brains?
Nick Robinson’s example of extreme hate was sending a Tweet to, say,  Luciana Berger, (as I believe someone did) saying: “Filthy. Jew. Bitch.”. (That wasn’t me saying it occifer, honest. I was just recounting wot Nick Robinson said) 

That’s quite hard to unpack. I mean all three words are fine, separately. It’s the three-word combination that makes it offensive. It’s not incitement to violence exactly. Can I take it that the most sensitive of the three is “Jew”? (makes it racist) Does this throw up any semantic obstacles to law enforcement?

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‘No More Boys and Girls’. One minute they’re asking for positive discrimination in the workplace, next they’re insisting on gender-blindness. All that confusing stuff about boy toys and girl toys. Yet most trans “guy-to-gal” interviewees always seem to be telling us that they first realised they were in the wrong body because of their desire to wear a pretty dress. Contradictory messages? 

Monday, 21 August 2017

Is there a future for British Jews


Sky News treated their Political Correspondent’s film about British Jews as a major news story yesterday. It was prominently featured throughout the day. Maybe it was a dull day for news or something, but Sky seemed to find it newsworthy. 

The story was based on the findings of a survey by the Campaign Against Antisemitism, which concluded that one in six British Jews (17%) felt unwelcome in Britain and 37% felt the need to conceal their Judaism in public. 

Sky still fell into the trap (is it a trap?) of identifying “British Jews’ by showing footage of Orthodox Jews scurrying along the streets in traditional dress. However when Tamara spoke to Mandy Blumenthal in a cafe, both ladies were cunningly disguised in plain clothes. 

(I will resist going wildly off at a tangent here. Very tempted though)

Ms. Bumenthal said: 
"I can't believe I'm having to do this but I'm literally scared not of what's going to be happening in England tomorrow or even next year, but I think within the next 10 years it will not be tolerable for Jews here.”

The BBC didn’t think this story merited a slot on the main news, but they did discuss it on the Sunday Programme, the Radio 4 magazine programme that covers religious matters.


William Crawley spoke to Gideon Falter of the CAA. Falter was allowed to speak at length, but twice, when he was in full flow, Crawley interjected, crying “Gideon! Gideon!” 

Anyway, see if you can spot a pattern in the interjections. 

1.) “We’ve also got a lot of concern at the way that antisemitism is being allowed to fester in British politics….”  “Gideon!”

2.) “……the government in particular and I also think the Labour Party in particular need to be extremely worried about the message that’s currently being sent to British Jews” ”Gideon! Gideon!” 

Was Crawley trying to steer the conversation away from the antisemitism in the Labour Party? Or am I imagining it.


Sunday, 6 August 2017

Martin Bashir makes a point


The go-ahead Bishop of St. Albans

Radio 4's Sunday featured the following exchange this morning:
Justin Welby: I'm really quite bowled over by the genuine level to which Uganda has accepted a volume of refugees which, proportionate to their population, is the equivalent of us taking, I don't know, two-and-a half to three million. And this is in a poor country that's led by the president who says, "We don't use the word 'refugees'. These are fellow human beings, fellow Africans". And what a challenge it is to our own politics!
Martin Bashir: Do you mean by that that it's a contrast with some of the rhetoric that we've heard perhaps since the referendum?
Justin Welby: I think it's a very powerful contrast, but some of the political rhetoric is so much in contrast to the rhetoric we heard today, which we saw lived out in communities that are by any European standards poor beyond our imagining. 
Martin Bashir's question there showed him taking the opportunity to make a point. 

The programme also ended with a discussion about Brexit, framed in the following fashion: 
Good morning. On this week's Sunday a Church of England bishop goes head to head with the Farming Minister over  his fears that mishandling Brexit could bring about a food crisis in the United Kingdom.
It has to be said though that the The Bishop of St Albans, the Rt Rev Dr Alan Smith, considerably toned down his language during the actual discussion with George Eustice, which was handled fairly by William Crawley. 

Sunday, 13 November 2016

A traditional 'Sunday'


Regular listeners to Radio 4's Sunday (me and Ed Stourton's dog?) won't be surprised to hear that the programme marked Remembrance Sunday and the anniversary of the terrorist attacks in France by inviting in Qari Asim MBE, the well-known imam from Leeds Mosque who laid a wreath at the Cenotaph today on behalf of Britain's Muslims.

The good imam expressed his belief that the attacks in Paris had nothing to do with Islam and that it's important that we all stand together and don't allow hate and division to take over in the wake of such attacks. He also said that the history of Muslims fighting in World War One provides a powerful argument against the 'far-right' in this country who don't think Muslims are wonderful contributors to our society.

The programme began though with the US elections and...can you guess?...yes, the fearful reactions of US Muslims to the prospect of a Trump presidencey. Here's William Crawley's introduction: 
Donald Trump's election has been hailed by his supporters as a victory for a new kind of politics, but many American Muslims, and other minority groups, say they're fearful that this new politics effectively legitimises racist attitudes that have been bubbling under the surface for many years. A wave of hate-crime attacks have followed last week's election, including numerous accounts of Muslim women and girls having their hijabs ripped off, reports of physical assaults and death threats. 
A strongly anti-Trump Muslim woman was then interviewed, with a very short clip from an interview with a pro-Trump Muslim women being included in the middle of it (for 'balance'), which the strongly anti-Trump Muslim woman then commented on (negatively).

The other Trump-related feature started from the question (as stated by William Crawley):
Why did so many white evangelical Christians - more than 80% of them - vote for Donald Trump?
(You'll note, not "Why did so many evangelical Christians vote for Donald Trump?" but "Why did so many white evangelical Christians vote for Donald Trump?").

The debate between Jim Wallis and Charmaine Yoest (the former described as a 'political activist', the latter a 'conservative') was surprisingly bitter, with Mr Wallis making it all about race (rather like Sunday here).

There was also an interview with the eternally-optimistic Terry Waite, who expressed his belief that "talking and diplomacy counts, not warfare" and that we could talk with the people "behind" Islamic State (though not with the organisation's head-choppers). "There are always people one can talk with", he said.

There was also a segment on "how people of faith can often feel awkward in the work place" that ended by suggesting that the problem needs to be addressed by us becoming as "religiously correct" as we are "politically correct".

It wasn't all political, 'liberal', agenda-driven stuff though. They also marked Remembrance Sunday with the story of how a bible saved a soldier's life in the the First World War (helping him dodge shrapnel by 'taking a bullet' for him). We learned that between 1914 and 1918 the Bible Society distributed more than 9 million 'books of scripture' (full bibles? New Testaments only?) in over 80 languages to members of the armed forces and POWs. 

Saturday, 3 September 2016

The beautiful game

Does anyone remember the debacle at King’s College London in January, when Pro-Palestinian activists broke through security, smashed a window and disrupted an Israeli guest’s talk?


Ivana Bevilaqua, 25, a politics student (good grief) was found guilty of assault, given a conditional discharge and ordered to pay costs and compensation to Esther Enfield, the victim of the assault. I suppose, sadly, in this day and age this behaviour is so widespread it’s not considered a very serious crime or a very important case, and no-one would be surprised if the BBC wasn’t interested in it. 

Student Rights website reported it though. They gave more detail than the Evening Standard.
“In January, Student Rights reported on the protest which shut down an event featuring Ami Ayalon, the former Director of  Israel's internal security service Shin Bet, at King's College London (KCL). 
The protesters disrupted the event from the start by chanting “Free, Free Palestine” and then preceded to bang on the building's windows and doors, smashing glass and setting off multiple fire alarms. 
Eventually, the police arrived and the event finished half an hour early as the building was evacuated. 
 After the event, the president of KCL Israel Society, Ester Endfield, told the Jewish Chronicle: 
“At one point I was against the door and Joseph [Stoll, the society’s vice president] was protecting me. I was crying because I was scared and didn't know what to do.This girl hit me and my phone dropped out of my hand. I was trying to film, she just came up to me and hit me on my arm. 
Some people were trying to punch the door to get into the room. They were very aggressive and angry. It was completely unacceptable.”

Another article on that site is headed: “NUS delegate's rant shows wider problem in student movement”
“Daniel Yahia, a student at the University of Edinburgh elected as a National Union of Students (NUS) delegate, has been accused of using antisemitic language on his Facebook page. 
When discussing Nir Bitton, an Israeli footballer who plays for Celtic, Mr Yahia wrote:
“Sick of seeing Celtic fans creaming themselves over Nir Bitton. We are a club open to all, that cannot be disputed, but by all, we mean humans, of difference creeds, races and religions. 
Zionists are subhuman and, Nir Bitton is a filthy, Zionist rat. Get him as far to fuck from our club as possible. If you’re gonna wave your Palestinian flag, don’t be a hypocrite and demand this bastard takes his place on the team.” 
In response to a comment saying Bitton should be gassed, Yahia replied that this would “be too good for him”. 
The Tab has since published Yahia’s response, in which he wrote:“I did not pick out Bitton for his religion once, nor his nationality. Though my words were intemperate and perhaps a little much, they were not racist.My friend Podge’s comments of gassing him, as is slang in Belfast means to sack/fire, though the context of the status do mean it was inappropriate.I have no problems with Jews or Israelis, just Zionists.”

There is a distinctly comical air to this. It almost qualifies as a “You couldn’t make it up.” 


So much for the current state of universities. However, it does bring me to the vexed case of football and those Palestinian Flags that appeared in Glasgow when Celtic played an Israeli team.
“Hundreds of fans at a football match between Glasgow Celtic and Israeli side Hapoel Beer Sheva turned whole sections of the stadium into a sea of Palestinian flags in a protest against the Israeli occupation, ignoring an official ban on political demonstrations.”

The BBC did report this. In a disconcertingly upbeat way. It’s pretty clear where the sympathy of whoever wrote it lies.  (and also here)

However the worst thing the BBC has come up with on this topic, as far as I know, is a Talkback phone-in from Belfast. Radio Ulster. 



I’m aware that “Belfast” in general isn’t likely to support Israel - the Irish on both sides of the border are not known for philo-semitism, so I wasn’t surprised that the guests and callers would be ideologically pro-Palestinian, but I was disappointed to learn that they had no objections to the politicisation of sport - at least in this particular case. (I’m pretty sure their leniency might not extend to other forms of political  flag-waving, literal and figurative)



The most telling thing for me was that the host was William Crawley, whom you’ll be familiar with as one of the hosts of the Sunday programme on Radio 4, which tackles religious matters, where impartiality ought to be a given. (Quiet at the back!)

The invited guests included Marxist and arch Israel-hater Eamonn McCann, pro-Palestinian activist Liam  O’Hare, another man (whose name I didn’t catch) and last but not least the Rev Chris Hudson

Despite the fact that he agreed with the fact-free allegations about Israel that the others were bandying about willy nilly, the Rev was cast into the distinctly lonely pro-Israel position. (The usual fare: stolen Arab land. Apartheid state. Pariah state, oppressors etc etc.) 

He spoke against the politicisation of sport, but what he really wanted to talk about was the appalling desecration of headstones in a Belfast Jewish cemetery, which is what he claimed he had specifically been asked to come on the programme to do. The BBC has a reputation for misleading participants in that particular way. They ambush them with the real agenda once they’re on air.  

William Crawley even asked him why he kept bringing it up, as if connecting antisemitism with Palestinian flag-waving at Israeli footballers was gratuitous and itself a politicising act.  They all agreed Anti-Zionism has nothing to do with antisemitism, and naturally none of them had anything to with antisemitism.  Who does?

About halfway through, Crawley read out a message: “When are we going to hear something from the Israeli side?”  We had to make do with the reluctant Rev for that. All the callers, without exception, were Israel-bashers of varying degrees of intensity, ranging from spittle-flecked to apoplectic. There was a mini-discussion about Norman Finkelstein and the merits of BDS.  William Crawley hardly even bothered to play Devil’s Advocate.


The Rev Chris Hudson was the only one who knew anything whatsoever about the aims of BDS, and obviously none of them were remotely aware of Ilan Pappe’s recent revelations

Being Ulster Radio, the  strong regional accents abounded, particularly the Scottish guy Liam O’Hare whose vowels almost out-distorted the policeman in ‘allo ‘allo. (We say Israel, he says “Usruw” )
To finish, I just thought it would be a nice touch to show what Brendon Rogers, the manager of Celtic had to say about Celtic’s visit to Israel for the return match.

Wednesday, 20 April 2016

The tomb of Jesus


My holiday reading this year is Simon Sebag Montefiore's mighty tome Jerusalem. So this item from Radio 4's Sunday was right up my street...


William Crawley: It's been known for many years that the historic site regarded by many as the tomb of Jesus is in serious need of restoration. It lies at the heart of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, but renovation work has been delayed for decades because of squabbles between the Catholic, Armenian, Greek Orthodox and other denominations who run the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. Now, finally, an agreement has been reached and next month renovations funded by Jordan's King Abdullah will begin. Professor Martin Biddle is an archaeologist and the author of The Tomb of Christ. Martin, good morning to you. Welcome!

Martin Biddle: Morning.

William Crawley: Can you briefly describe in outline for us what this site looks like?

Martin Biddle: Yes, well, you go into the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in the centre of the city of Jerusalem and you turn left and you come into a great, round rotunda. And in the middle of that there is a very extraordinary, elaborate structure, about 20 ft high, about 20 ft long, held together by steel, put on by the British mandatory government in 1947 to prevent it from collapsing. And that is what people believe is the site and contains whatever remains of the tomb of Jesus.

William Crawley: How much disarray is it in? What kind of restoration work is needed?

Martin Biddle: Well, there was a very bad...its history...it's had trouble all over the years. But in 1808 there was a very bad fire in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the tomb was clearly, as it was then, badly damaged. It was reconstructed by Greek architects from Istanbul. And that is how we see it today. But in 1927 there was a serious earthquake. The whole of the church was badly damaged, and the tomb was no exception. But it still stood. Eventually in 1947, just before the end of the mandatory government, the British brought great steel bars - from India, of all places....really the end of empire!...and tried to hold the tomb together. And that's how it is today. And it's in trouble. Pieces have been falling off. My wife and I studied it 25 years ago, in great detail, surveyed every single stone, digitally, inside and out, and discussed all the possibilities. And nothing has happened since then. But this is very good news, and very important news, that it is now going to be made safe.


William Crawley: Well, you bring me very neatly to the squabbling, which appears to be the reason why nothing has happened until now. What do we know about the nature of the disagreement?

Martin Biddle: It's that the different communities - which...There are six in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. We're really talking about the Latins, the Armenians and the Greeks. They have different architectural styles. The Greek Orthodox Church has its own very beautiful, very distinctive style of church. The Latins are the kind of churches we know here in the West. And the Armenians, again, have a very distinctive, personal style...which they feel is very closely - all of these bodies -  related to their own worship and their own beliefs.

William Crawley: This isn't just about interior design? This is about theology, is it?

Martin Biddle: No, well, to a great extent it is about interior design, to be quite honest, in my view. But they want their national styles. They've never been able to agree. When we did our work we were asked to do it by the Roman Catholics. Fearing that there would never be any agreement...and we carried out this very, very detailed survey. We have all the records of it...and we never believed that anything would happen. But, as I understand it, a piece fell off some time ago. The Israeli government, acting as the civil power - which has always had the duty of protecting the communities and the church - said, 'Look, this is a public danger. We can't have this happen.' I believe they closed the church and the tomb for an afternoon. And that was enough warning. And they said 'You've got to do something about this or we will have to take really serious public safety measures'. And that's where we stand now.

William Crawley: And, as if that isn't complicated enough, Martin, apparently, the keys to the church belong to a Muslim family?

Martin Biddle: Well, that's a very old tradition. They have been looked after very, very well for centuries by a Muslim family. I know them well, as one goes in and out, and that seems to work very well indeed. (Indecipherable) worried about the tomb.


William Crawley: In just half a minute or so...Are we likely to discover anything new about this tomb once it's been renovated and fully opened?

Martin Biddle: Yes. Most certainly so. The questions are: What is left of the actual original rock-cut tomb around which these structures were subsequently built and still stand? What sort of tomb is that? And whose tomb was it? And it was hailed as the tomb of Jesus when it was first found in 325 AD. We don't know why. Is it just because it looked like the kind of tomb one can discern from the Gospels? Or were - and, in my view, this is a possibility - were there graffiti (perhaps scratched inscriptions, perhaps graffiti) on which said 'Christos anesti' ('Christ is Risen') or 'This is the tomb of Christ'.