|The go-ahead Bishop of St. Albans|
Justin Welby: I'm really quite bowled over by the genuine level to which Uganda has accepted a volume of refugees which, proportionate to their population, is the equivalent of us taking, I don't know, two-and-a half to three million. And this is in a poor country that's led by the president who says, "We don't use the word 'refugees'. These are fellow human beings, fellow Africans". And what a challenge it is to our own politics!
Martin Bashir: Do you mean by that that it's a contrast with some of the rhetoric that we've heard perhaps since the referendum?
Justin Welby: I think it's a very powerful contrast, but some of the political rhetoric is so much in contrast to the rhetoric we heard today, which we saw lived out in communities that are by any European standards poor beyond our imagining.
Martin Bashir's question there showed him taking the opportunity to make a point.
The programme also ended with a discussion about Brexit, framed in the following fashion:
Good morning. On this week's Sunday a Church of England bishop goes head to head with the Farming Minister over his fears that mishandling Brexit could bring about a food crisis in the United Kingdom.
It has to be said though that the The Bishop of St Albans, the Rt Rev Dr Alan Smith, considerably toned down his language during the actual discussion with George Eustice, which was handled fairly by William Crawley.