Monday 21 April 2014

Start the Week

As reported here back on Good Friday ("reported" eh? - ed), Radio 4's Today editor, Jamie Angus, believes the debate over man-made climate change is settled:
I think, you know, when Justin and I and the programme team discussed that interview, we thought we'd allowed it to drift too much into a straight yes/no argument about the science. And, of course, the settled view of the expert scientists is just that: Settled.
Some agree and some disagree about whether the science really is settled but, even if it is, the public debate about it sure as heck isn't. Hence the disagreement. 

And what an unpleasant debate it often is, isn't it? The two sides sling insults at each other - "alarmist!", "denier!" - and keep telling their respective followers (in classic ad hom fashion) to "follow the money" - "They are in the pay of Big Oil!", "They are in the pay of Big Green!" 

As examples of that, take environmentalist George Monbiot and scientist Joanna Haigh:
Almost everywhere, climate change denial now looks as stupid and unacceptable as Holocaust denial.
     [George Monbiot, The Guardian]
I slightly object to the use of the word 'sceptic' because there's absolutely nothing wrong with being sceptical. All good scientists are sceptical, so I tend to to refer to those people you mean as 'climate change deniers' because they deny it's happening and choose various reasons.
     [Joanna Haigh, The Life Scientific
Both George Monbiot and Joanna Haigh will be on this morning's Start the Week - a special edition centred around the creator of the Gaia Hypothesis, James Lovelock. I'm betting the insult 'denial/denier' puts in an appearance at some stage.

In an interview with The Guardian's Stephen Moss, James Lovelock takes on this kind of attitude:
Lovelock's new book is likely to be claimed by both sides in the climate change debate. He has pulled back from the alarmist predictions of The Revenge of Gaia, published in 2006, and now says the rate of global warming is slower than he anticipated. "I was a little too certain in that book," he admits. "You just can't tell what's going to happen." He says the oceans store most of the heat from the sun, tempering the impact on the atmosphere, and our lack of understanding of the likely effects of the warming of the oceans makes it very difficult to predict the long-term impact. "It could be terrible within a few years, though that's very unlikely, or it could be hundreds of years before the climate becomes unbearable."
Won't this give succour to climate change deniers? "It's just as silly to be a denier as it is to be a believer," he says. "You can't be certain." He says climate change scientists should adopt the same level of statistical stringency as exists in medicine. So we need to take the politics out of climate science? "Oh sure, but we're tribal animals. We can't help being political."
Lovelock sees environmentalism today as a form of what he calls "urban politics". "It's become a religion," he says, "and religions don't worry too much about facts." 
This morning's Start the Week should be quite lively then.

1 comment:

  1. Heard it.
    Lovelock is a giant, in that he thinks for himself; has pretty much been his own man for over 50 years now and follows the data-even at considerable cost to his camp followers who now are angry with his volte-face on nuclea power...and the contempt he has for pressure lobbies and political grandstanders who tax the rest of us, feed off the proceeds but are anti-science like the Greens, and FoE etc.
    Maybe we should moan to Feedback about how an unqualified Guardian hack like Monbiot gets to put his sandals under Lovelocks desk?...after all, Feedback have been going on for weeks about Lord Lawson daring to put Justin Webb straight about the science on Today a few months ago.
    How come its OK for Monbiot to be the idiot...when Lawson is far more knowledgeable about the science that Monbiot ever could be?
    Can`t imagine Feedback will do anything but regurgitate Monbiots book though.
    Monbiot said that two more people died due to vending machines in the USA that due to wolves...and this passes for "science and statistics at the BBC".
    That idiocy deserves a More or Less on its own!
    Still-if we corral all the nations vending machines to be safe, then George will be happy...I presume that wolves will be trained to dispense Mars bars and Pepsi in school corridors before hand though by way of precaution.


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